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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

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In a perfect world there would have been room to manouvre so that the bush and lochain didn't overlap, but I've been in the same situation many times myself and appreciate the difficulties. As it is I think it is only a minor point and don't actually have a problem with it as it is. In fact I think it is a very pleasing and well balanced composition with interest stretching from foreground, through the middle distance to infinity. The bush, the two lochans and the hills make a strong left to right diagonal line which leads the eye both across and though the scene. Light and shade helps give depth to the picture and is complimented by an interesting sky.

The only improvement I would make is to darken the bush slightly as it appears just a bit too bright for the rest of the scene. But that is just a minor point, I'd have been proud of this and it would definitely have been one for my exhibition.
Thanks John - I did darken the bush slightly - I could have gone a bit more.

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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

Not meaning to hijack your thread Ian but here's my version of the same scene.

I took landscape and portrait shots and here they are.

Comments and criticism welcome.

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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

I've no problem with your PP. It catches the 'metallic'? light well.
I would have tried to get lower to separate the lochan and tree which would also have given it more prominence and that may have hidden the other lochan.
Paul's versions do that to a certain extent but now bring in the road. Unfortunately the road immediately leads the eye out of the picture.
I've seen many versions of this view but never, to my mind, a successful one with the road.
The tree on its own is interesting and would have benefited from a close shot low down aperture wide open. I'm not sure what lens you used but a tree like that would look good with the 7-14.
I can clearly see the ND filter on the hill on the right which is an effect I'm not fond of.
I would also suggest 3.30 in the afternoon the light is a bit overhead and harsh.

It was very interesting to see what others were seeing at the weekend.

I'll put up one of mine and everybody can take it apart.
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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

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View from Quiraing (I think) on Isle of Skey.
Not submitted an image for critique for a long time, so here's one for you all.
Very interested to hear your comments! Ian
Maybe I'm not hypercritical enough of pictures to be able to conjure up improvements that might have been "if only ..."

In my book this well balanced landscape lacks nothing and is about as good as it gets.
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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

Thanks Duncan, I used the 9-18, but at 18mm. I think the wider the view the less dramatic the tree was.

I will post the original unprocessed view later today.

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I've no problem with your PP. It catches the 'metallic'? light well.
I would have tried to get lower to separate the lochan and tree which would also have given it more prominence and that may have hidden the other lochan.
Paul's versions do that to a certain extent but now bring in the road. Unfortunately the road immediately leads the eye out of the picture.
I've seen many versions of this view but never, to my mind, a successful one with the road.
The tree on its own is interesting and would have benefited from a close shot low down aperture wide open. I'm not sure what lens you used but a tree like that would look good with the 7-14.
I can clearly see the ND filter on the hill on the right which is an effect I'm not fond of.
I would also suggest 3.30 in the afternoon the light is a bit overhead and harsh.

It was very interesting to see what others were seeing at the weekend.

I'll put up one of mine and everybody can take it apart.
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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

I like Paul's different angles and the road appearing doesn't bother me at all.

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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

I like the original, but to get an impression of the view expressed in some of the comments above I moved the tree!
Not happy with the left shoreline of the loch(an) as not sure of its actual shape (Duncan?)

Note to self "stop mucking around with other peoples images"

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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

Roy very kindly asked if it would be OK to experiment and I said go for it

So what does everyone think?

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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

Beautiful shot Ian, lovely colours, nice composition and you've balanced the sky nicely. If only you'd taken a saw with you to hack down the bush on the left Only kidding but I think the composition would have been better if it was more down to the left hand corner.

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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

I can see the value in separating the bush and the lochain, but somehow it has now lost the connection which, to my eye, made such a strong diagonal. On balance, I prefer the original.
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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

As promised, here is what I got in Lightroom before doing any additional post processing:



And after:



Now what do you think?

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Re: View from Quiraing on Isle of Skye

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As promised, here is what I got in Lightroom before doing any additional post processing:



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Now what do you think?

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Ah! I like the uncropped foreground even better! You obviously did a great job in pp, but (forgive me butchering your image with my clumsy pp) I thought I'd have a go and see if I could get that bush a tad darker!



I think what I've actually done is strengthen the foreground a bit (including the bush) by increasing the contrast, but feel I may have inadvertently introduced more of a yellow cast. How does it look on your monitor? (this is a great way to learn a little more about pp)
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