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Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

In The Times yesterday hidden behind a pay wall and in the Mail Online today, articles expressing concern over amateur photographers going on safaris in great numbers disturbing the wildlife and causing premature deaths of the wildlife.

see this in the Mail Online
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...elephants.html

In the Times artilcles there were snide comments about how the easily accessible digital cameras were enabinge the great unwashed with the opportunity to take quite decent pictures.

It was very noticeable at the NEC Photo show in March as to how many companies were offering photo safaris.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

We don’t want the great unwashed spoiling the sort of holidays that were once the preserve of the rich eh. Besides it sounds like ‘we’ are killing them before they get a chance to with their guns.
Saying all that, it does look pretty grim when you see about 10 open Land Rovers collected up around whatever wildlife they have found.
Don’t know what the answer is though, a good starting point might be to stop hunting though.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

I think it's much preferable to shoot wildlife with cameras rather than guns.

Yes, photographers may disturb animals but they don't kill them for trophy, mis-informed health 'benefits' or just because they can.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

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I think it's much preferable to shoot wildlife with cameras rather than guns.
Of course it is and they can be Ďshotí multiple times. The sooner more countries realise that the wildlife is worth far more alive than dead then perhaps we will then be nearer to a solution.
Donít even get me started on the savages in Japan, Iceland, Norway etc who still hunt whales and as for the Faroe islanders they should all be taken out and shot for what they do to dolphins and pilot whales. Iíd pull the trigger.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

Found the article and the picture for it shows around 8 vehicles and what looks to be about 50 people, 2 groups in what look like small buses, all looking at 1 tiger. Much as I’d love to see a tiger in the wild, it wouldn’t be on this sort of trip.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

Much like the horde that descends on Windsor Park for the Dear rut.

Climbers in a queue to get up Everest and beaches having to be closed due to overcrowding and environmental pollution by people.

Maybe VR is the answer...
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

The Everest thing is appalling.
I can never understand the mentality that means someone goes out of their way to see something beautiful then they leave their rubbish behind.
VR will be all very well but you can bet that the people with money and influence will still do the actual things.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

There's some wonderful VR panoramas on this site:

http://www.airpano.com/360photo/Easter-Island/

When I first saw the site some years ago, they were trying to get permission to produce a VR tour of Stonehenge, but permission was refused.

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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

I think fat old me with an E-M1 II is going to be better for the health of the wildlife than a far American dentist with a hunting rifle.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

only if there is one of them, but not if there are half a dozen minibuses of camera weilding folk trying to get close to the animal.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

Half the problem is that many of these 'camera wielding' folk are actually using Go-Pro's, or phones or small cameras with very little zoom. That's why they need to get so close to the animals.

If the drivers/rangers made a rule that they would get no nearer than, say 100 yds/mtrs then it would be up to the fare paying public to get a decent camera to suit the purpose.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

Keith, I think you’re being over generous towards your average persons ability to judge 100yds, besides they’ll have figured out their phones let them zoom with a pinch!
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

Perhaps these game reserves should adopt a "Pay Per Click" policy. Click in this case being the shutter button. They could then use the vast additional revenue to purchase ex US army Apache helicopter gunships. This would not solve the problem detailed in the link but, hopefully, it may give the poachers a headache.

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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

In the Kruger, which I know reasonably well, there is a much greater density of animals and people in the south than in the north. Part of the problem of overcrowding is the safari operators who use radios to inform each other of sightings, even though thatís technically illegal. Youíre not allowed off road so that reduces the people/animal interaction. Accommodation limits the number of overnight visitors and in peak periods they limit the number of day visitors too. Itís a big park Ė 380km north to south and 60km wide Ė though not the biggest. They say that if you drive all 2,400 kilometres of road you will only see 2% of the park so thereís plenty of space for the animals and in places you can drive for miles without seeing another vehicle. Itís fenced which reduces the conflict between animals and farmers.

Hunting wild animals will always be controversial but I'm not opposed to it in principle. Botswana has recently introduced limited hunting of elephants because with unfenced parks there can be conflict with farmers. Itís better they are killed lawfully than unlawfully. More than with any other animal an excess of elephants can be bad for a park because of their voracious appetite for grass, bushes etc which can impact other species. Sadly, management often means culling. That is entirely different from poaching, which by its random nature, is wholly detrimental to wildlife. There are, apparently, about 180 people awaiting trial in South Africa on poaching charges but recently some exemplary sentences have been handed out.

Some of the videos of elephants on the Mail website are alarming. Animals always have right of way and this applies in spades to elephants. Serious incidents are fortunately rare but do happen and one needs to drive with great circumspection especially if you come upon them suddenly. Most elephants are habituated to vehicles and surprisingly tolerant. Iíd be very unhappy if Iíd allowed myself (we self drive) to get into some of the situations shown.

I love going on safari because of the wildlife you see and the photos you can take. I have a decent set of equipment but I wonder how much satisfaction visitors get from photos taken with a phone or similar.
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Re: Big news in the press re Safari amateur photographers

The radio thing does highlight how the problem really happens but you can see how it works from an operators point of view.
We were on a small boat hoping to see blue whales (Sea of Cortez) and it was just us, the boat driver was constantly on the radio to other boats within a few miles asking about sightings. We’re were then lucky to find a whale so as we had a couple of good close looks, matey is radioing in all the other boats. As we left there were about six boats there.
So they help each other out and it works both ways but the downside is the potential effect on the animals, although I take the view that if the creature wants to it can simply disappear within one good dive.
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