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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

Interesting points OM, time will tell I guess.
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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

For me it's deal breaker too.
Though I do occasionally use the grip both on my E-M1 MkII and Lumix G9 when paired with the 300 f/4 and also the 40-150 f/2.8, I mostly use both without.
Had the E-M1X had a detachable grip it may have been on my radar.
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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

Hopeless for me. I liked my E-M5 with the landscape grip, and then the E-M1.1 became my perfect form factor, virtually never using the free grip. The E-M1.2 was bigger than I like, and I haven't felt the need to upgrade. The E-M1X is a definite no for me, though I'd go for HHHR in the E-M1.2 form factor, as I'm sure it would need the larger battery and body, but that will be quite a wait I guess. The E-M5.3 will hopefully have some significant advances when it finally arrives, but I really don't want to have to go back to messing with landscape grips.

I'm annoyed that Oly have put this 100th year vanity project ahead of the mainstream bodies they sorely need to survive the FF onslaught now. These really need groundbreaking sensor improvements to finally allow them to say honestly that the 4/3 sensor is all most of us ever need, and concentrate on the strength of total system size that is (or was) their main advantage.
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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

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how many here think the non-removable battery grip is a deal breaker?
Deal maker! I've always fitted a portrait grip, for the extra battery if nothing else. Great to have it integrated, and even better to have it power a whole new bunch of computationally intensive features that couldn't have made it otherwise.
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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

I always have the grip fitted to my mk ii the deal breaker for me is price; the price difference for the differences in the bodies is a step to far.

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{New smaller bodies} really need groundbreaking sensor improvements to finally allow them to say honestly that the 4/3 sensor is all most of us ever need, and concentrate on the strength of total system size that is (or was) their main advantage.
I think we're all going to be disappointed again. I really hope I'm wrong but I think the EM5.3 will be the same old 20Mp sensor.
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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

For me the ergonomics felt very good as I usually have my mk2 with grip attatched to balance long lenses used.But after a brief test the caf seemed no different in capture speed to the mk2, so I will wait for bif tests and updates to improve this aspect as the headspace is available to improve caf tr performance.
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I think we're all going to be disappointed again. I really hope I'm wrong but I think the EM5.3 will be the same old 20Mp sensor.
But in reality, where would a better sensor come from?
Yes, there has been another in development, but .......
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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

From what iv read it does seem to be a small AF improvement I think it was about 25% better and it does start up faster to me that's quite a lot as the omd mkII is quite good so I was not expecting a massive difference but any small gain for BIF is really a big gain .
It was the same when I went from 1dx to 1dx mk ii or from my 7d to 7d mkII small gain but that can make the shot happen .


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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

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But in reality, where would a better sensor come from?
Yes, there has been another in development, but .......
My sources tell me that there could be a breakthrough in organic technology for small pixel pitch sensors. I don't have a time scale though.

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My sources tell me that there could be a breakthrough in organic technology for small pixel pitch sensors. I don't have a time scale though.

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It's the time scale that creates the most angst though. Everybody (well, a lot of people) are wound up with some released information & particularly the rumours, expecting it 'yesterday' & then there are the 'Tony' characters that certainly don't help either.
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My sources tell me that there could be a breakthrough in organic technology for small pixel pitch sensors. I don't have a time scale though.
Interesting Ian, but we can be sure they will be developed for phones first, as that is a far bigger market, and has a greater need size-wise. Let's hope it happens soon, although every few months, there seem to be similar stories that don't amount to real products.
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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

It's at least four years ago that I heard the rumours of organic sensors. I'm wondering if they'll make it into a camera before I'm in a wooden box!

Really, the only thing stopping a BSI m43 sensor is someone paying Sony or Towerjazz the money to develop it. BSI is mature technology now and would probably give us an extra half stop to a stop of light efficiency (i.e. reduced noise). Personally I think that would be well worth having and more than anything we've seen since the original E-M5.

FYI - here's a side-by-side comparison, courtesy of ePhotozine, showing the 20Mp non-BSI sensor from the RX100 on the left with the 20Mp BSI sensor from the RX100II on the right at ISO 6400. A definite improvement:

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Re: E-M1X thoughts and excellent Dave Etchells video

The technology here is way beyond my competency so I'm not going to express an opinion either way, but I have seen quite a few discussions about the value of back-illuminated sensors with some apparently-competent and techie people arguing they don't add much, if anything.

Certainly Bill Claff's test methodology shows no difference I can see between the RX100 (CMOS, non-BSI) and the RX100iii (CMOS, BSI): http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PD...%20DSC-RX100M3
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The technology here is way beyond my competency so I'm not going to express an opinion either way, but I have seen quite a few discussions about the value of back-illuminated sensors with some apparently-competent and techie people arguing they don't add much, if anything.

Certainly Bill Claff's test methodology shows no difference I can see between the RX100 (CMOS, non-BSI) and the RX100iii (CMOS, BSI): http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PD...%20DSC-RX100M3
Back-lit sensors are more beneficial to really tiny sensors used in compact cameras and smartphones. Don't forget, as sensors go, Four Thirds is still considered large!

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