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Re: Buying into another system

There is no getting away from very big lenses - that's physics for you. There is also a dearth of lenses unless you want to invest in adapters for using even bigger Canon DSLR lenses, for example. I haven't tried the very latest A7 models but the earlier ones were also mechanically very unrefined (loud). But there is no argument that the sensors in the A7 are awesome, but personally I am past worrying about sensor quality these days.

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Apparently the A7 mirrorless system lenses are closer to the sensor plane than m43 are so you can adapt m43 lenses to work with A7 cameras but not the other way around.

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Hi Paul!

You could adapt your m4/3 lenses to fit the A7, but the image circle would be far too small to fill a full frame sensor - Sony had to work really hard to get a full frame sensor covered with such a small distance from the lens to the image plane.

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Ps I believe that quite a few people use OM lenses on the Sony mirrorless cameras though, with good results.
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Re: Buying into another system

At these prices I will stick to my E-1 for landscape work At 21.3 million pixels in TIFF format, printing A-2 is not a problem
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Hi Paul!

You could adapt your m4/3 lenses to fit the A7, but the image circle would be far too small to fill a full frame sensor - Sony had to work really hard to get a full frame sensor covered with such a small distance from the lens to the image plane.

Cheers,

Ralph.

Ps I believe that quite a few people use OM lenses on the Sony mirrorless cameras though, with good results.
Hi Ralph,

actually the Sony E system - m43 adapters only work on the NEX crop sensor bodies apparently, I misread an article saying you could use the m43 on the A7.

But yes I'm sure the OM lenses work fine via an adapter.

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Re: Buying into another system

Well done with ur purchase looking forward to your review when you tried it out. It sure seems a good bit of kit from reviews i have seen.

My only issue is the brand Sony from my past experience.

I owned a hifi, portable cd player, speaker system, compact camera. All of which went faulty after a couple of years. The only item, which lasted has been my PS3 to date, which is fab.
I cant comment on sony slr cameras hope they fall into the ps3 reliability wise :-) sure they will.
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My only issue is the brand Sony from my past experience.
Hi there Paul / Timboo!

I have had only good experiences with Sony - not least with my Xperia phone which has outlasted 3 of my wife's Samsung phones without a mark (and I have had to repair the screen twice on her last phone too!)

I hope that their cameras are as well put together as their phones.

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Re: Buying into another system

I recently bought a second hand A7S to replace my Fuji X100T to further my enjoyment of night and low-light photography and to use my collection of classic lenses at native magnification.

They have come down in price a lot with the release of the mkII (you'd pay 1500 more for some dubiously effective IBIS, a larger body, slightly higher res screen and some video enhancements I don't understand in the new one). There's too much subject movement for the E-M1 IBIS to work for this sort of application.

I'm delighted so far, and am particularly enjoying using it with the wonderful 35mm f2 Zeiss Loxia manual lens (bought ex-display from LCE). Manual focusing with peaking is definitively the way to go for that sort of photography, with the flip screen often.

ASA 25600 is fully usable with some modest noise management in Capture One or dfine.

The only long lenses I'll be using with this are the 200 and 300 OM Zuikos.
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I recently bought a second hand A7S to replace my Fuji X100T to further my enjoyment of night and low-light photography and to use my collection of classic lenses at native magnification.

They have come down in price a lot with the release of the mkII (you'd pay 1500 more for some dubiously effective IBIS, a larger body, slightly higher res screen and some video enhancements I don't understand in the new one). There's too much subject movement for the E-M1 IBIS to work for this sort of application.

I'm delighted so far, and am particularly enjoying using it with the wonderful 35mm f2 Zeiss Loxia manual lens (bought ex-display from LCE). Manual focusing with peaking is definitively the way to go for that sort of photography, with the flip screen often.

ASA 25600 is fully usable with some modest noise management in Capture One or dfine.

The only long lenses I'll be using with this are the 200 and 300 OM Zuikos.
Glad you like it, sounds like a good deal too.
From what I've read and my friends experience the IBIS on the A7xii series is meant to be good, certainly has good reviews.

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I agree Alf. If I do go for an A7, then it would have to be the R. I'll not bite though while the body is 2400 though! That's just too much for a hobby.
I was after an A7 but an A7R got in the way on Ebay. I put in a bid I could afford and expected that to be the end of it. Yesterday a parcel arrived, containing an "as new" (my words) full kit with some extras (batteries, etc.). That was for less than 780 delivered.

I have only opened the box and fondled it a bit. A quick side-to-side comparison with my EM-1 shows the size to be so similar that I may find myself picking the wrong one out of my bag.

I will now be able to use my full-frame film lenses, specially the ultra-wides, as I used to with film.

Now, where is that used manual?

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I have only opened the box and fondled it a bit. A quick side-to-side comparison with my EM-1 shows the size to be so similar that I may find myself picking the wrong one out of my bag.

I will now be able to use my full-frame film lenses, specially the ultra-wides, as I used to with film.
The A7 is a lot heavier than the E-M1 and you'll soon notice which one you've picked up! I must say mine has a very solid and quality feel - a bit like when I first picked up an E1 back in the day, and I do like the handling. Although mine was second hand, the shutter count is only in the 40s and it still has that new camera smell.

Reviews of the A7S II's IBIS are a bit mixed - Gordon Laing at CameraLabs wasn't impressed in real-life use, for example. I figured that if I really took to the A7 series and the IBIS was good (or was tweaked to be better) I could always sell the mkI for not much less than I paid and upgrade. Currently, though, even second hand mkIIs are around 1300 more than my s/h MkI and that's just ridiculous.

The Sony eCommunity isn't nearly as mature as the Olympus one (or Fuji's, actually), with a high troll quotient. There's a fair number of complaints over firmware crashes and (alleged) de-centred lenses, but I haven't noticed any issues yet...
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The Sony eCommunity isn't nearly as mature as the Olympus one (or Fuji's, actually), with a high troll quotient. There's a fair number of complaints over firmware crashes and (alleged) de-centred lenses, but I haven't noticed any issues yet...
Yes I noticed that, I think there are a lot of inexperienced "wanna be" photographers that want to impress others by having a A7ii or even preferable for them A7Rii (more bragging rights ), some of the photos posted were very poor, and the Americans seem to like really pushing saturation to the extreme.

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I was after an A7 but an A7R got in the way on Ebay. I put in a bid I could afford and expected that to be the end of it. Yesterday a parcel arrived, containing an "as new" (my words) full kit with some extras (batteries, etc.). That was for less than 780 delivered.

I have only opened the box and fondled it a bit. A quick side-to-side comparison with my EM-1 shows the size to be so similar that I may find myself picking the wrong one out of my bag.

I will now be able to use my full-frame film lenses, specially the ultra-wides, as I used to with film.

Now, where is that used manual?

Harold
Still not having consulted the manual I had quick go with my OM 24mm shift lens, which I have not used for at least five years. I stood at the back of my house and gave the lens full sideways shift. To my horror, when I shifted it, a huge OOF triangular shadow appeared in the bottom right of the viewfinder. That was also in the image recorded. I detached and re-attached the lens and tried again. Same thing.

I detached the lens and looked through it, seeing two coloured part-discs separated by a thin black area. I had forgotten about the built-in filters, selected by a thin ring between the front of the lens and the aperture ring. The selector was not aligned with the mark on the barrel. I selected the neutral one and all was OK.

Now, where is that manual?

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Still not having consulted the manual I had quick go with my OM 24mm shift lens, which I have not used for at least five years. I stood at the back of my house and gave the lens full sideways shift. To my horror, when I shifted it, a huge OOF triangular shadow appeared in the bottom right of the viewfinder. That was also in the image recorded. I detached and re-attached the lens and tried again. Same thing.

I detached the lens and looked through it, seeing two coloured part-discs separated by a thin black area. I had forgotten about the built-in filters, selected by a thin ring between the front of the lens and the aperture ring. The selector was not aligned with the mark on the barrel. I selected the neutral one and all was OK.

Now, where is that manual?

Harold
Love it! Another Oly 'gotcha' to add to the list.

I can vouch for the OM Zuiko 24mm f2.8 working a dream on my A7S, and I am now looking for some wider classics. (Being interpreted, that of course means I'm actually trying to resist a Leitz Tri-Elmar 16-18-21 )

You do have to be careful with wideangle glass on the A7, especially the first series. They had a thick filter stack on the sensor and it plays havoc with some lens' angle of exit. Some lenses are fine (including the Tri-Elmar) but others vignette madly and give magenta colour shifts. There's plenty of information about it on the full-frame Sony forum on dpreview (while ignoring all the trolling know-it-alls) and on a couple of the specialist blogs.

Do you have any Sony or Zeiss native glass for the FF E-mount system?
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Olympus introduced a FF camera themselves. Unless, that is, there's a revolution in electronics allowing the smaller sensor to resolve photons as well as a larger FF sensor, if not it could end up in decline. But any developments in light measurement techniques will flow through to the 35mm FF as well, so everyone wins.
There have been rumours......the ONLY thing that would tempt me to upgrade from my E-P5 would be an Olympus FF. And that would be a few years after it got released- if that ever happens
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Love it! Another Oly 'gotcha' to add to the list.

I can vouch for the OM Zuiko 24mm f2.8 working a dream on my A7S, and I am now looking for some wider classics. (Being interpreted, that of course means I'm actually trying to resist a Leitz Tri-Elmar 16-18-21 )

You do have to be careful with wideangle glass on the A7, especially the first series. They had a thick filter stack on the sensor and it plays havoc with some lens' angle of exit. Some lenses are fine (including the Tri-Elmar) but others vignette madly and give magenta colour shifts. There's plenty of information about it on the full-frame Sony forum on dpreview (while ignoring all the trolling know-it-alls) and on a couple of the specialist blogs.

Do you have any Sony or Zeiss native glass for the FF E-mount system?
I have no E-Mount lenses, and no plans to obtain any. For general telephoto, down to close-up, I would use my Kiron (Vivitar Series 1) 105mm (FD mount), which I use in preference to my Leitz Elmarit 60mm macro.

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