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Something from the archives

While I'm convalescing I've been looking through some (lots) of old photos and tidying up the Aperture library. I thought I'd like to get some thoughts on this photo that was taken on a grey day in Dawlish in 2008. I took it as I was intrigued by the water on one side of the wall and sand on the other. But I've never been sure about it. I've tried a B&W conversion in SFP2 and would appreciate the thoughts of others. Does either work?

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Re: Something from the archives

Oh, definitely the monochrome!! Beautiful.
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Re: Something from the archives

Yes, there's a better balance and more texture in the mono version.
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Re: Something from the archives

Mono version works really well.
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Re: Something from the archives

Hi StephenL and Peter,

Thank you. The mono worked for me too as soon as I did it.

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Re: Something from the archives

The mono is the clear winner. I would burn in the overexposed elements in the sky - and straighten the horizon.
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Re: Something from the archives

Thanks Brian. I'm still learning the PP techniques which I haven't used much in the past - is there a specific method to burn in the overexposed elements?

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Re: Something from the archives

Hi Amanda - what software are you using?
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Hi Brian,

I'm using Aperture plus the Nik software.

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Re: Something from the archives

Hi Amanda, the short answer is that they both work, it's a bold composition with great light and loads of potential. The B&W is the best of the two options you have posted, but it has obviously benefitted from some thoughtful processing which the colour version lacks. I hope you don't mind, I've had a very quick play with the colour shot but I'll gladly remove it if you wish.



In Elements 10 I darkened highlights by 10%, lightened shadows by 20% and increased contrast by 25%. It may also have helped to increase saturation by just a tad but I didn't think of that at the time. It's a rough and ready edit, which I'm sure could be tuned a lot better, but I think it helps the colour version compare more favourably with the mono.

That area of burnt out sky remains a slight niggle and there's not really any detail to bring out. However, I'll bet that at the time it was too bright for the human eye to perceive any detail either, something that we tend to forget when looking for realistic processing improvements.

Other than that, I might be tempted to crop just a little from the right hand side to place the jetty more centerally. You've got two really nice photographs here!
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Re: Something from the archives

Thank you very much John, I really appreciate that. You've definitely improved it. I'm working on my processing skills.

Although I can't remember I expect you're right about the detail not being visible to the eye.

I actually did the crop in Aperture after posting as when I looked at it on the forum that jumped out at me.

Thanks again for taking the time to process the colour image as it does look much better now.

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Re: Something from the archives

The mono version for me Amanda it is a great pic!

Ignore the advise to burn in the overexposed sky part as this will just produce a muddy grey with no detail.

Instead select or clone part of sky with good detail over it then add a mask to
blend it in.

For you consideration done quick and dirty in Elements 9.

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Re: Something from the archives

Thanks Paul,

That's an improvement and much better than the original. I've dug out the Aperture 3 manual so I'll have a look in there at how to do it.

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Re: Something from the archives

Lovely shot and great composition. I would have used a square crop to get a perfect balance on either side. Also would have been a very nice shot with a long exposure; 6 mins or so. But all in all it is a nice shot !!
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