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It seems the skip to Win 8.1 is the solution to the silly Win 8.0.
It was 8.1 which was the final straw for me. 8.0 was workable. 8.1 screwed my system. And I used to support Windows for a living.
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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

Pro's and con's to each if I am honest.

However, I switched to Mac 7 years ago and won't ever buy a windows based system again. I gather Win7 is pretty good though.

There is one stat that to me points out the differences just brilliantly. The questions to ask yourself is this one...

Consider how many people have been on mac, then gone across to Windows and say they'd never go back to Mac.

Then ask yourself how many people have been on Windows, gone across to Mac, and say they'd never go back to Win?

I am in camp 2. Firmly.
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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

Let me start by saying that Macs are very nice, but I refuse to pay the extortionate premium that Apple imposes and Windows is much better than many will give it credit and for a modern laptop Windows 8.1 is very compelling - the optimised kernel means almost instant wake-up and of course there is support for not one but two types of touch screen interface. There is also a huge choice of reasonably priced, powerful hardware and there is a wider range of software available for Windows.

Every time I am asked this question I say the same thing - if you know why you want a Mac then go for it, but don't think a Mac will somehow revolutionise your computing. In usability tests Macs and PCs are pretty much even.

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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

I purchased a 15" Macbook Pro Retina a few weeks ago and it is a stunningly fast and quiet machine. The retina display is the best I have seen on a laptop and I have no reservations about using it for editing images. I don't have Photoshop installed on it yet, but it runs Lightroom blisteringly fast.

I wrote a little review about it which can be found here;

http://www.photoark.co.uk/index.php/...ing-2013-model
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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

15 inch MacBook Pro - £1699 (Apple Store UK), 2.0/3.2GHz Core i7 CPU, basic Intel graphics, 256GB SSD (no conventional hard disk), 8GB DRAM, 2880x1800 pixel display.

Sony VAIO Fit 15A SVF15N1Z2E - £1343 (Dabs.com), 1.8/3.0GHz Core i7 CPU, basic Intel graphics plus nVidia GeForce 735M discrete GPU 2GB video RAM, 1TB hybrid hard disk, 12GB DRAM, 2880x1620 pixel display, reversible touch screen, pressure-sensitive stylus.

The £1699 MacBook Pro is the cheapest 15 inch laptop in the Apple range.

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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

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15 inch MacBook Pro - 1699 (Apple Store UK), 2.0/3.2GHz Core i7 CPU, basic Intel graphics, 256GB SSD (no conventional hard disk), 8GB DRAM, 2880x1800 pixel display.

Sony VAIO Fit 15A SVF15N1Z2E - 1343 (Dabs.com), 1.8/3.0GHz Core i7 CPU, basic Intel graphics plus nVidia GeForce 735M discrete GPU 2GB video RAM, 1TB hybrid hard disk, 12GB DRAM, 2880x1620 pixel display, reversible touch screen, pressure-sensitive stylus.

The 1699 MacBook Pro is the cheapest 15 inch laptop in the Apple range.

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That it is food for thought Ian, the problem that I have with windows base laptops is that they just do not seem to last. I have an I pad one which still goes like a rocket, and has taken the brunt of family surfing and this now feels clunky despite being 3 years newer. A change of system always has risks, the last time I took such a leap of faith was from Pentax to Olympus!
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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

The prices tend to level out when you start adding applications.

The last version of OSX was free, last version of Windows was ???,
Aperture 55 ish - Lightroom 90ish,
Normal use office software Mac about 30, MS Office about 100
Most users need for Photoshop on a Mac - Pixelmator about 30 Photoshop a minimum of 100 up to 600 for the full PS. Or go Gimp which is free on both platforms.

The prices now start to level out.

The big advantage of the Mac platform versus the MS platform is that the software is written by the same company that makes the hardware. With Windows there is a disconnect between the hardware and software makers.
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That it is food for thought Ian, the problem that I have with windows base laptops is that they just do not seem to last. I have an I pad one which still goes like a rocket, and has taken the brunt of family surfing and this now feels clunky despite being 3 years newer. A change of system always has risks, the last time I took such a leap of faith was from Pentax to Olympus!
There is no doubt that Macs are well made and so they ought to be for the price. If you buy a high-end premium price Windows laptop you will get the same sturdiness, but usually at a significantly lower price and less money.

The fact is that you can get a reasonably good Windows laptop for under 400. If you are paying 1700 for an entry-level MacBook Pro, just bear in mind that there will be some cost savings in the 400 laptop (you could but four cheap Windows laptops for the price of one entry-level MacBook Pro).

So in the end decide what you want from your laptop and how much you want to spend and if it's the MacBook Pro then do it My only concern is that more than a few people simply shell out for a Mac because 'it's a Mac' or for the style factor. Many Mac owners have made the right choice but the same applies to many Windows laptop users.

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The prices tend to level out when you start adding applications.

The last version of OSX was free, last version of Windows was ???,
Aperture £55 ish - Lightroom £90ish,
Normal use office software Mac about £30, MS Office about £100
Most users need for Photoshop on a Mac - Pixelmator about £30 Photoshop a minimum of £100 up to £600 for the full PS. Or go Gimp which is free on both platforms.

The prices now start to level out.

The big advantage of the Mac platform versus the MS platform is that the software is written by the same company that makes the hardware. With Windows there is a disconnect between the hardware and software makers.
Come on Derek, apples with apples

You can get a comprehensive Office Suite free for Windows (Open Office).

There was a time when Aperture was arguably better than Lightroom, I'm not at all sure that's the case any more.

And there are literally thousands of very useful free Windows utilities out there.

And Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade from 8.0. Of course the cost of OSX is built in to the purchase price in the first place.

Yes most of the hardware is knitted into the OS but performance extras like discrete graphics will need third party extensions. Windows' hardware abstraction layer is now pretty good.

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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

When a computer is working well, it doesn't matter if it's Windows or Apple. When it fails, it's nothing more than a paperweight. Most of the time my Windows 8 PC worked well. But I had to put quite a degree of expertise into maintaining that state. I know diddly squat about Apples, but my iMac works well despite that. Obviously that comes at a cost. It's up to individual circumstances where you want to spend your money, and your time.
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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

"The big advantage of the Mac platform versus the MS platform is that the software is written by the same company that makes the hardware. With Windows there is a disconnect between the hardware and software makers."

"Wow" didn't know Apple owned Intel. It's a wonder they allow PC's to use their processors

With a PC you can choose between Sony, Toshiba, Asus, Acer, Dell and so on, with a Mac Platform or I-pod, I-Phone etc you belong to Apple end of and you also pay for the privilege. That's the main reason i steer clear of Apple.

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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

apples with apples

You can get a comprehensive Office Suite free for Windows (Open Office).
And also for the Mac there are two versions

There was a time when Aperture was arguably better than Lightroom, I'm not at all sure that's the case any more.
But it is still sufficiently good to do the work, and it use a common set of GUI concepts that are used across all Mac apps - so learn one and you are well on your way to using all apps - apart from the Olympus Viewer which is not compliant of the OSX way of user interface - but it works

And there are literally thousands of very useful free Windows utilities out there.
as there is for the Mac

And Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade from 8.0. Of course the cost of OSX is built in to the purchase price in the first place.

but it is the cost of the next version of the OS that counts (but perhaps with Windows you do not upgrade (dare not))
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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

well, I think I am know more undecided than before I asked the question!

just think about 35 years ago, somebody asked, VHS or Betamax?

I just wonder if 30 years from know we will feel the same about the Mac MS platforms?
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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

I'd say if price isn't an issue buy mac

If money is tighter get a dell refurb from outlet or from xsonly or similar ( 3 year nbd warranty)

Take a look at dell xps 18 refurb for about 550

Great touch screen full pc that's also a giant portable tablet
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Re: Computer choice Mac or PC

The good old PC/Mac debate, although really it is a debate about the OS systems, I know a number of people who run Mac OS on a PC to reduce the hardware cost & have very little problems.

The only thing as already been mentioned is the OS & machine are matched with a Mac not quite so with a PC & Windows.

TBH I would find a local apple store book an appointment with an advisor, tell them exactly your requirements (they often find the right expert for you) spend your time trying a machine, they often have LR & PS installed. I have found Apple do not over sell but recommend the machine which suits your needs i.e. an i5 is excellent for PS & LR, i7 overkill but if you are doing rendering or video then an i7 is the machine. You can of course do exactly the same thing with an expert in PC World
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