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Olympus OM-D E-M1 The first Micro Four Thirds camera that offers phase detect focusing so you can use Four Thirds DSLR lenses normally as well a Micro Four Thirds lenses.

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Comparison of Lens performance

Having had a fondle of the E-M1 and found it it very handleable I would like to hear how the 4/3 lenses and the M4/3 lenses compare.

The main lenses I am interested in keeping or swapping are the
4/3 12-60mm
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4/3 50-200mm.

I like both lenses and the range they cover.

It is interesting to see that on the Olympus web site the 12-60mm is now priced at approximately £1200 and the 50-200 is not quoted.

How good are the nearest m4/3 lenses is it worth going with the 4/3 lenses on a E-M1 until Olympus expand their range of M4/3 lenses.

Is the M4/3 75 - 300 as good as the 4/3 50 200mm lens?

Would one expect m4/3 lenses to be cheaper to design and manufacture that 4/3 lenses? I remember the concerns when SLRs came in and many favourite standard 35mm camera lenses had to be totally redesigned to allow for the mirror flap to push out the lens further from the film plane.

I have seen mention of the Oly Lens route map - but not seen the URL for it - what is it please?

Any thoughts - experiences - Thanks for any comments.
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/lens_chart.html

This is the micro four thirds lens chart.


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Having had a fondle of the E-M1 and found it it very handleable I would like to hear how the 4/3 lenses and the M4/3 lenses compare.

The main lenses I am interested in keeping or swapping are the
4/3 12-60mm
and the

4/3 50-200mm.

I like both lenses and the range they cover.

It is interesting to see that on the Olympus web site the 12-60mm is now priced at approximately £1200 and the 50-200 is not quoted.

How good are the nearest m4/3 lenses is it worth going with the 4/3 lenses on a E-M1 until Olympus expand their range of M4/3 lenses.

Is the M4/3 75 - 300 as good as the 4/3 50 200mm lens?

Would one expect m4/3 lenses to be cheaper to design and manufacture that 4/3 lenses? I remember the concerns when SLRs came in and many favourite standard 35mm camera lenses had to be totally redesigned to allow for the mirror flap to push out the lens further from the film plane.

I have seen mention of the Oly Lens route map - but not seen the URL for it - what is it please?

Any thoughts - experiences - Thanks for any comments.
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

It's very difficult to give definitive answers. However:

1. The big difference with micro-4/3 over "old" 4/3 comes with short focal length lenses. Because there is no mirror, the lens can sit much nearer to the sensor which means that a lot of the design compromises which you mention don't need to be made. The 12/1.8 and 17/1.8 are both beautifully small units, and great quality, incredibly so on both counts for their speed.

2. The new 12-40/2.8 is a real beauty. I'm not going to try and objectively compare it with the 12-60, which is also a fine lens, I will say that I am very pleased I ordered the kit which includes it. It's chunky by m43 standards but considerably smaller than the 12-60, but at a cost of a third of the reach at the long end (40mm vs 60).

3. The 4/3 50-200 is a jolly fine lens. Any micro-4/3 equivalent is unlikely to be significantly smaller - maybe lighter materials or smarter lens coating might save a few grams here and there but with a longer lens size and weight are determined by physics. I can't comment on the 70-300 quality-wise - it is smaller and lighter, because it is slower.

So I would suggest:

- if you suffer from GAS, get the kit with the 12-40. Otherwise carry on with the 12-60.

- if you want the speed (f/2.8-3.5) of the 50-200, stick with it. If light weight is more important, think about the Oly 75-300 or maybe the Panny 100-300.

£1200 for the 12-60 is taking the mick! It's a good lens, but....

Hope this is helpful ... John
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

I think that many of us are wondering about this too. It is all very well having the best Olympus digital camera to date that is small and neat but which is compromised by the big old (but excellent) 43rd glass. I will probably stick with what I have until the m43rds range is expanded more and then seriously consider moving completely into the micro world.
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

Ian spent most of Sunday with the 12-60 on an E-M1, so will have lots of examples and a good feel for its performance.
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

Thanks everybody so far

No mention of the reduced focusing options when using the 4/3 lenses on the E-M1 - is it a deal breaker or only a topic of discussion

Re price of 12-16 I was somewhat surprised as well.
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

I am very happy with my range of m4\3 lenses. Partly 'cos I long since sold the 4/3. But one consideration could be weather resistance of the two lenses you mention.
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

Just spotted this thread which was started yesterday by Dave B...v....

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=30356

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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

Derek,
I kept the 4/3 12-60 that came with my E-3, used it as a matter of preference with an E-M5 (even though the AF was slow & stuttery) and now find that on the E-M1 it is once again a pleasure to use.

When I bought the E-M1 I got the 12-40 Kit - because my goal was weight reduction for the system I carry and the discount w.r.t. buying body + lens separately was desirable.

The m4/3 is a real gem (in construction and for it's IQ) - though when used as a walk-around lens I find myself hankering after the additional focal length range provided by the 12-60.

As usual, only you can decide which aspect is the best compromise for your photographic style (i.e. system weight or FL range).
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

My observations are that it's difficult for me to tell the difference between the m4/3 40-150, and the 50-200, in some situations. The 75-300mm is even better than the 40-150. But with low light, and the fact that the M1 has PDAF on sensor I'd stick with it, F2.8-3.5 does come in handy sometimes, (lower the ISO the better), I'm not getting rid of mine. For the 12-60....I don't own it, I don't know, I think I would opt for the 12-40 if I were in that situation.
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

Have a look, one is the PL5 & 40-150, the other is the E-30 & 50-200





First one is cropped 1682 on the long edge, and the second is 2304 long edge.
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

As you say, difficult to tell apart, nice action in both shots.

Looks almost as if its the same piece of track shot on two different occasions?
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As you say, difficult to tell apart, nice action in both shots.

Looks almost as if its the same piece of track shot on two different occasions?
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Re: Comparison of Lens performance

I'm always being impressed by the E-PL5 & 40-150. These show just what can be achieved with a "Lite" body and a "kit" lens, in the hands of someone who knows how to use them.

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I'm always being impressed by the E-PL5 & 40-150. These show just what can be achieved with a "Lite" body and a "kit" lens, in the hands of someone who knows how to use them.

Thanks, but I'm still learning. I failed many time with both set-ups. My down fall was trying to use a slow shutter speed to show motion and keep from freezing the bikes, I'm not good at panning yet.
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