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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

Nick thanks for your comments. A discussion or "Letting off steam" is a good thing. If more issues were discussed in a sensible way, then the world would probably be a better place.

I strongly dislike the idea of ID cards and I wish that I did not have to know how to protect myself from incompetent, inadequate trained or bullying by people who think they are better. That said, we have to look out for ourselves these days, because the government sure isn’t.

So Nick, I guess you would not be interested in the card then
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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

Hi John

My opinion is that I want something that looks professional that puts Mr officious on the back foot. What you propose for the front is good guidance for photographers, but not strongly worded . .

For the front I proposed a while ago somthing that was circulating elswhere.

Photographers’ rights under English Law

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You are reminded that under UK law: -
• There are no restrictions on taking photographs in a public place or on photography of individuals, whether they are adults or minors.
• There is no right to privacy in a public place, although photographers are of course subject to the usual libel laws in the same way as any other citizen and should observe them.
• Equipment or film may not be confiscated, or images deleted by any person or officer unless a warrant for such action is issued.
• Any attempt without a warrant is considered assault under UK law
For the back

Quote:
The Human Rights Act 1998 Excerpt
Article 1 of Protocol 1: Protection of property

• Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions.
• Everyone has the right to the peaceful enjoyment of their possessions.
• Public authorities cannot interfere with a person’s property or possessions or the way that they use them except in specified limited circumstances.
The remaining "guidance" is available elsewhere but could be on a covering note that went with the card (I'm happy to print such if it helps you), but the card needs to be PUNCHY !

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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

Andy,

Thanks for you wording. I will put this into the template and see how it looks.

Do we want any colour added, or leave it simple?
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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

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Personally I'd prefer

side 1:-

"Photographers are Harmless - Learn to Live with it"

flip side

"I've just stolen your soul - and there's nothing you can do about it"

Though maybe these will do better on a T-shirt.
I'm soo gonna make that T - Shirt
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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

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I'm soo gonna make that T - Shirt
Ah -copyright, royalties, a photographers fashion chain, franchise, I can be Rich, RICH I TELL YOU............................................... .......


Sorry - just a mad moments dream.

Please do, but send us a photograph.

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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

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Ah -copyright, royalties, a photographers fashion chain, franchise, I can be Rich, RICH I TELL YOU............................................... .......


Sorry - just a mad moments dream.

Please do, but send us a photograph.

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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

Like the evil red on the back.

This could be a new source of income for you.
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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

I think we need to add "but please dont hurt me" in small print under the

"I've just stolen your soul - and there's nothing you can do about it"
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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

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I think we need to add "but please dont hurt me" in small print under the

"I've just stolen your soul - and there's nothing you can do about it"
How about putting Johns suggestion on the back at the bottom - that way as you run away (got to protect the camera you know - otherwise, well I wouldn't have wanted to be in his shoes, I can tell you) it will pull out of your jeans and be displayed.

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Other's thoughts on subversive photographers

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...news.terrorism

http://lightchasersphotography.com/b...e-a-terrorist/


http://flash.popphoto.com/blog/2007/...ime-of-ph.html

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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

I've been thinking about this recently too, although I hope I'd never need it. I can't imagine anybody thinking I'm a terrorist or anything like that.

I like the whole idea of the little card with the punchy itemised bits, but I'm not so sure about including the piece about libel laws, I'm not sure it's relevant. Maybe somebody could explain why it should be included, it seems to me it adds an area of doubt.

I ended up drafting something too, although I'm not entirely happy with it.

Under UK law: -
• In a public place there is there a right to expect privacy nor are there restrictions on taking photographs.
• Neither camera equipment or data cards may be confiscated, nor may images be deleted, unless a valid warrant has been issued.
• Images may be considered evidence and could be used for prosecution.
• Aggressive behaviour or language can constitute assault; attempts to forcibly take anothers’ property is theft.


I was going to put a basic ID on the other side - my name and that I'm a photographer. I'd thought of asking if it would be OK to use the logo of this site too, but I expect Ian would need to ask Olympus for their consent first.
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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

There were a couple of articles written on this subject earlier this year in two photo magazines. The February 2008 issue of Photography Monthly (issue 81) printed an article "The Tripod Terrorists" and Digital Camera Magazine (issue 69) had an article "Photography and the law", both were very good. The magazines are still available, DCM at: http://www.dcmag.co.uk/Digital_Camer...ttoo2oJ6A.html and PM on 0870 830 4960.

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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06...otography_law/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06...grapher_stops/

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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

Fortunately I have never been in a situation where I have confronted taking photographs in a public place. I don't have too much concern if I were to be stopped by a Police officer or a PCSO as clarifying the legal situation certainly shouldn't involve violence or aggression (hopefully ).

What does concern me though is a situation as shown is this clip: BBC link and Photographer's story where an officious security goon gets quite nasty about someone photographing in a public place. Imagine the scene where a security guy starts getting physical, laying down the law (incorrectly) and then members of the public (just as ignorant of the law) taking the side of the security guy (thinking he must be right) and getting violent also. Camera equipment getting damaged.

We may be well within our rights to be photographing in a public place but at the time of a confrontation in the street the situation could be very unpleasant and stressful. Something that I can well do without and the thought of would put me off taking such photographs.

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Re: Photographer's rights - a new perspective

Steve -

Thanks for that - not a very good situation.

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