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What a night.......

Recently went on holiday to Devon, took my E3 and lenses, my OM1n and my Mamiya 645. Its fair to say most days I was overloaded.

Did not shoot much digital, but I did use 2 rolls of 35mm and two rolls of 120

Last night trying to load the 120 film roll onto the reel, was without a doubt the worst experience in my life....
I had difficulty with the first roll I done a few weeks back..... but I got 15 exposures out of that,....... however last night resulted in 7 poor exposures in total.

2 Hours trying to get film onto reel.
Put film in tank to protect, whilst I stopped for a break only to discover the wet inside the tank had made the film stick together.
Then opened the tank between lounge and darkroom for 2 elephants/seconds
Sore fingers...
Wasted 8 really lovely shots.
May have overdeveloped due to interruption in developing.
Scanner struggling to read bad film

It should not take 2 hours to load film onto reel........ is there an answer... is there a safe light I can purchase to assist me in the loading, is there a machine I can buy that does it for me.

The answer is practise......... and maybe not to trust some of your favourite compositions to 120.


Anyone had worse???
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Re: What a night.......

No safe light.

If you get old stock or a cheap roll waste a film to practice on in the light. Its a pity poundland only do 35 mm film.
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Re: What a night.......

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No safe light.

If you get old stock or a cheap roll waste a film to practice on in the light. Its a pity poundland only do 35 mm film.
Is there a safe light Alf ? I had looked into night vison goggles.

I am going to have to bite the bullet and buy a roll to waste, and 35mm is a doddle in comparison, I thought I was hard done to with a cut finger opening the spool, how wrong was I.
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Re: What a night.......

Hi it has been some 30/years since I did film, if you are using black and white film, I seem to recall a safe light for film and one for black and white print, one was green and the other was red but can't remember which way round, LCE might be able to help there but for colour it used to be all in the dark as it was to sensitive to any visable light .

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Hi it has been some 30/years since I did film, if you are using black and white film, I seem to recall a safe light for film and one for black and white print, one was green and the other was red but can't remember which way round, LCE might be able to help there but for colour it used to be all in the dark as it was to sensitive to any visable light .

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That would need orthochromatic film not panochromatic film.
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Re: What a night.......

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I am going to have to bite the bullet and buy a roll to waste
It's the only way and practice, practice, practice. First in daylight and then total darkness. I used a hair dryer on the spools and tank beforehand just to make sure all was dry. Not too close mind, don't want to melt anything.
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Re: What a night.......

You need total darkness for 35mm film.
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Re: What a night.......

As others have said, practice with a scrap roll. Make sure your reels are clean and dry. I used to leave them in the bottom of the drying cabinet but the hair dryer tips works as well.
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Re: What a night.......

Practise and practise........

And I now know the significance of ensuring things are dry...

I have no idea how ridiculous I must have looked in the darkened loo with all the lights off, with a dark thick blanket over me and the roll for two hours.

I am a grown man,........... new house coming soon with garage/ dark room

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Re: What a night.......

Wait until you get a 5x4 and have to start loading and unloading sheet film holders and loading hangers for developing.
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Re: What a night.......

If you're lucky enough to be near an old-fashioned camera shop yo umight be able to pick up a "changing bag". This is a double-thickness bag made out of black fabric with elasticated armholes. You put the film, tank and (fr 35mm at least) scissors in the bag, zip it up then poke your arms in through the holes and in theory you can load the tank in broad daylight. I used to do it under fairly subdued lighting just to make sure though. If you get stuck and need a break, just pop the film into the tank and put the lid and cap on then you can take your arms out safely.

Sure beats messing around with blankets etc. and is considerably easier and less disruptive than blacking out a room properly.

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Re: What a night.......

I was using a changing bag a while back and my wife asked me why I was loading the film with my eyes tightly closed. I wasn't aware I was doing it but it just seemed to be right!
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You need total darkness for 35mm film.
The format is not relevant but the type can be as in orthochromatic film.
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Re: What a night.......

DavidM.
You've just awakened a nightmare I'd put behind me.
Loading and unloading 5x4 and 10x8 sheet film in the darkroom.
I used to assist a photographer who used a 10x8 Gandolfi.
The bawling out I used to get if I wasn't quick enough or made a mess of things.
His behaviour wouldn't have been allowed in this day and age, I would need counselling
and 3 months off work with stress.
I look back on it as character forming and a sure fire way to make sure I performed
to his very high standards.
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Re: What a night.......

Even worse than regular sheet film was loading and unloading the special film holders for the transmission electron microscope. And because the cut film was a non standard size you had to load it into a special rack for processing and then use custom deep tanks for the rack.
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