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Bought AP - First Time in Years...

Yup, I just this afternoon purchased a copy of AP for the first time in.... must be a good few years. It really hasn't changed as far as I can see, and I still find there is very little in it that actually interests me - I only picked it up as the E-620 was in a 4-way group test.

Would I buy it again? No, really don't like it and was done with it in ten minutes. Does anyone buy it weekly?

Oh, and needless to say, the E-620 came last!!
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Re: Bought AP - First Time in Years...

I subscribe to it. I've read it since I was a kid (on and off) and have always considered it the magazine against which I judge others by. I can usually find something to read in most issues. Of particular merit is the fact that it's done a lot of campaigning on photographers rights and against abuses of Section 44 of the Anti Terrorism Act. Further, I've always thought it's equipment tests were the most thorough of all the UK photography magazines.

However, I think they do need to reconsider the format somewhat. A big part of AP is the news, yet I can read that on it's website. I'm not sure weekly magazines make much sense in the days of the internet, at least from a news point of view.

I also get a little frustrated by the apparent Nikon/Canon bias. It's pretty much guaranteed that a APC Nikon or Canon will score higher marks in a group test that includes Olympus but there never seems to be a discussion of the relative merits of the different systems. They never ask who has the better lenses and they never mention that Olympus has a 4:3 aspect ratio and that is different to what you get with Canon/Nikon. I could go on. That said they liked the E1 and gave a pretty good review of the E3.

I also subscribe to the British Journal of Photography, Professional Photography and Digital Photographer so maybe I'm just a magazine junkie. I do keep thinking I should cut at least one.

However, out of the above, the best I think is the revamped British Journal of Photography. I've read that for a long time too.
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I subscribe to it. I've read it since I was a kid (on and off) and have always considered it the magazine against which I judge others by. I can usually find something to read in most issues. Of particular merit is the fact that it's done a lot of campaigning on photographers rights and against abuses of Section 44 of the Anti Terrorism Act. Further, I've always thought it's equipment tests were the most thorough of all the UK photography magazines.

However, I think they do need to reconsider the format somewhat. A big part of AP is the news, yet I can read that on it's website. I'm not sure weekly magazines make much sense in the days of the internet, at least from a news point of view.

I also get a little frustrated by the apparent Nikon/Canon bias. It's pretty much guaranteed that a APC Nikon or Canon will score higher marks in a group test that includes Olympus but there never seems to be a discussion of the relative merits of the different systems. They never ask who has the better lenses and they never mention that Olympus has a 4:3 aspect ratio and that is different to what you get with Canon/Nikon. I could go on. That said they liked the E1 and gave a pretty good review of the E3.

I also subscribe to the British Journal of Photography, Professional Photography and Digital Photographer so maybe I'm just a magazine junkie. I do keep thinking I should cut at least one.

However, out of the above, the best I think is the revamped British Journal of Photography. I've read that for a long time too.
I don't subscribe, but I buy AP pretty much every week and still enjoy it. Some weeks are better than others, of course, but I think it's remarkable that they manage to produce a magazine like this on a weekly basis.

I guess the tests will always be a bone of contention, but I think we just have to accept that's how it is. It doesn't make our cameras any less effective just because AP doesn't like them! Essentially these are lab tests that produce data and statistics rather than photographs and as such are bound to find in favour of larger sensors - it's almost technically inevitable. I know they do publish a few pictures with each test but look at the quality - and I don't mean the technical quality but rather the pictorial merit, generally they are awful. In fact, they appear to be hurridly shot during a short break from the office. Never mind the Golden Hour, can they spare an hour? So effectively the cameras are compared and rated on technical measurements performed under laboritary conditions, rather tha real life situations.

I don't intend this to demean AP tests, far from it. In fact, I consider them to be thorough, accurate, objective and consistent - all in all a valuable resource. But it is important to keep them in context as being only part of the picture rather than telling the whole story.
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Yup, I just this afternoon purchased a copy of AP for the first time in.... must be a good few years. It really hasn't changed as far as I can see, and I still find there is very little in it that actually interests me - I only picked it up as the E-620 was in a 4-way group test.

Would I buy it again? No, really don't like it and was done with it in ten minutes. Does anyone buy it weekly?

Oh, and needless to say, the E-620 came last!!
That about sums it up for me as well.

As for the camera tests if eveyone followed AP's recomendations there would be no Olympus users left in the UK, luckily some of us have minds of our own.

Saying that I recently rejoined my camera club (ill health had kept me away) and where as I was the only Oly user, there are now five of us ! And in last nights monthly colour print comp I came 1st in the colour and second in the mono, luckily the judge was only interested in the images and not camera brands or I may have lost.
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Re: Bought AP - First Time in Years...

I'm a subscriber, and although I've been reading it on and off since the 1960s I returned to it because of Angela Nicolson's enthusiasm for the E system with her article on custom settings for the E-3. I've never seen the BJP in the shops, so have nothing weekly to compare it to. The only other photography magazine I subscribe to is Outdoor photography, whose reports reinforce my thoughts that there's no such thing as a bad camera, only bad photographers!
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Re: Bought AP - First Time in Years...

Each week I drive my mother to the supermarket and often look thorough AP while she is looking at clothes.

It may be paranoia but I always feel that the tests are written to please their advertisers, so C&N always come out on top and any head to head between those two is always a dead heat.

It's OK to pass 5 minutes, but I wouldn't pay for it.
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Re: Bought AP - First Time in Years...

I buy mine from my newsagent each week. Some weeks are good, some not so good in my book. At least AP listened to readers re paying proper money for publishing pics in readers gallery, it used to give you a mug.
I also get Outdoor Photography and look forward to each issue, my favourite photo mag.

Re canikn, they get better reviews cos they tick the boxes for the reviewers. I only went for Oly cos I had an OM 1 in a previous life. Having spent a lot on lenses I am not sure I would change but if I won the lottery, I would go for the nkon DS3?, the one that takes pics when it is too dark to see.
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I rather like Black & White Photography - a monthly from the same stable as Outdoor Photography. It can be a bit patchy of course, but is generally pretty good.

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