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Olympus OM-D E-M1 The first Micro Four Thirds camera that offers phase detect focusing so you can use Four Thirds DSLR lenses normally as well a Micro Four Thirds lenses.

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Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

So Oly made an E7 and have opted for the OMD-EM1 to be the replacement for the E5. The delay of 29ms in the EVF is significant. I tried panning with the EM1 and clearly noticed that delay in picture update. I don't know how significant that would be for me with panning bikes and birds.

The jury is still out on the performance of FT lenses on the EM1. Is there anyone with an E5 who is impressed with FT performance on the EM1.

The next big disappointment is the compatibly with those expensive accessories us FT owners have spent. Remote cable RM=CB1, wireless flash FL50R and infra red remote RM1 non of which I understand work on the OMD-EM1. Of course you cannot tether the EM1 either and the EM1 does not work with Olympus studio. If I have these wrong then please correct me.

Does anybody know if there is a relationship between exposure of photocells to light and age. That is will the sensor degrade over time because it is more exposed to light and being permanently turn on.

I am left feeling that if I buy into the OMD-EM1 I am effectively buying into a completely new system. It is not an upgrade to my E5.
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Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

It's not a replacement for the E-M5. That is a current model which is a fair bit cheaper than the E-M1. The E-M1 is a flagship Micro Four Thirds camera. But it also happens to be a solution that Four Thirds camera users can seriously consider.

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It's not a replacement for the E-M5. That is a current model which is a fair bit cheaper than the E-M1. The E-M1 is a flagship Micro Four Thirds camera. But it also happens to be a solution that Four Thirds camera users can seriously consider.

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The question is would an E5 owner seriously consider it (of course they would) and buy it (time will tell)?

I have not heard many comments from E5 owners with a good selection of FT glass give their views.
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Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

Hi there
I am an E-5 user of three years and have been exceedingly happy with its performance, particularly its OOC JPEGs (having previously been a RAW devotee!) except, that is, in low light conditions.
I was 'tempted' by the OM-D E-M5, given the very positive feedback given by many users on this site.
However, like many others with a significant investment in 4/3 lenses, I was waiting for the E-7!
From what I now read the E-M1 is probably a better solution than an E-7, particularly if it allows me to continue to use my investment in 4/3 lenses, achieve results on a par with that of my E-5 and, importantly, allow me to take advantage of the many m4/3 benefits that will undoubtedly ensue!
Somewhat tempted by the very attractive launch offers of free HLD-7 and MMF-3, I have now pre-ordered an E-M1 + 12-50 lens and tomorrow look forward to seeing one closeup, hopefully coupled to 4/3 glass and delivering great AF performance!
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Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

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The question is would an E5 owner seriously consider it (of course they would) and buy it (time will tell)?

I have not heard many comments from E5 owners with a good selection of FT glass give their views.
I've got an E-3 and a good selection of FT glass. My order for the EM-1 is in. Where else am I to go?

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Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

Given I only ever use single shot and manual focus for my bird/wildlife photography I don't know if the EVF will be a problem but I suspect not.
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I've got an E-3 and a good section of FT glass. My order for the EM-1 is in. Where else am I to go?
There is nowhere else for us to go if we want to carry on using our 43rds glass.
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The question is would an E5 owner seriously consider it (of course they would) and buy it (time will tell)?

I have not heard many comments from E5 owners with a good selection of FT glass give their views.
I think there is plenty of evidence that lots of E-5 owners have ordered the E-M1. You only have to look at posts here on the forum here.

Maybe the better question is why have E-5 owners opted for the E-M1? Of course there are E-System photographers who have either rejected the E-M1 option or are still not sure it's for them. I sense that the biggest hurdle for these is affordability because the E-M1 is not an inexpensive camera.

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I think there is plenty of evidence that lots of E-5 owners have ordered the E-M1. You only have to look at posts here on the forum here.

Maybe the better question is why have E-5 owners opted for the E-M1? Of course there E-System photographers who have either rejected the E-M1 option or are still not sure it's for them. I sense that the biggest hurdle for these is affordability because the E-M1 is not an inexpensive camera.

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For me its not a question of affordability, it is a question of will it do the job I want it to. I have a budget that this camera comfortably sits in and I even have a wife who says I can buy if it will do the job I want. The camera is new and makes many claims of compatibility with FT bodies and lenses. Olympus bill it as a replacement for the E5.
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For me its not a question of affordability, it is a question of will it do the job I want it to. I have a budget that this camera comfortably sits in and I even have a wife who says I can buy if it will do the job I want. The camera is new and makes many claims of compatibility with FT bodies and lenses. Olympus bill it as a replacement for the E5.
What are your concerns about whether or not it will do the job you expect of it?

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What are your concerns about whether or not it will do the job you expect of it?

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I love photography and the taking of pictures for our own personal memory of places we have been. Prior to 2008 and the E3 I had a Olympus C765UZ it was at the time a great little camera for everything but action and in particular BIF. I think it had an EVF.

I am really concerned that if I was to buy the EM1 I will lose some of the functionality I have at the moment with the E3 & E5 and miss shots because the camera did not refresh in the time I needed it too. I also do not want to be buying more remote trigger cables and flash guns. I am very interested in the EM1 as a potential addition to my equipment and that's why I have been reading the manual before buying the camera.

It also annoys me that Olympus very quickly dropped FT in favour of mirrorless bodies before the technology has properly matured. EVF and OVF should be run in parallel. When the next gizmo comes along will they then drop MFT. No other leading camera manufacturers drops its range of backward compatibility in the way which Olympus does. They had an E7 they should have put it out for their customers to decide if that was the way to go. We are being driven by what Olympus wants to make and not what their customer want.

Olympus with all its inhouse AF testing knew that the EM5 would not perform well with FT glass and I am sure they know that their tests show that the EM1 does not exceed the E5 with FT glass as far as AF is concerned.

Olympus have made many claims about the new camera. Thanks to you I got to feel and see the new camera last Thursday. I made a note of things I wanted to test on the day. 1 AF performance with FT glass in particular my 50-200mm SWD. 2) the EVF and panning and 3) MF and focus peaking. Yes I liked the new lens 12-40f2.8 and I would expect that to outperform the 12-60mmSWD I have. I liked the big viewfinder and I like the ability to do time lapse photography in camera but these were nice to have.

It was a good friendly day and useful day but I have to say that the EM1disappointed me in that it did not do the things I set out to test. That may well be down to familiarity with the camera and it is a first impression.

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I am really concerned that if I was to buy the EM1 I will lose some of the functionality I have at the moment with the E3 & E5 and miss shots because the camera did not refresh in the time I needed it too. I also do not want to be buying more remote trigger cables and flash guns. I am very interested in the EM1 as a potential addition to my equipment and that's why I have been reading the manual before buying the camera.
I can't really think of anything about the E-M1 which is slower than the E-5 in the way you appear to be worried about. Is there anything specific?

The E-M1 is fully compatible with the Olympus dedicated flash system - there are no changes in this respect.

The E-M1 uses the same USB port system introduced by Olympus with the E-500 in 2005 so any compatible remote cable release will work with the E-M5. Yes, it's different to the E-5 and E-3, but every other E-System and Pen/OM-D camera model since 2005 has used the same USB port specification.

And don't forget that if you use an Android or Apple iOS smartphone or tablet you will be able to control the camera wirelessly over wifi in a very sophisticated manner.

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Olympus with all its inhouse AF testing knew that the EM5 would not perform well with FT glass and I am sure they know that their tests show that the EM1 does not exceed the E5 with FT glass as far as AF is concerned.
I don't really understand the latter half of this particular comment. All the feedback I have had from Olympus in Japan combined with my own experience comparing the E-5 with the E-M1 I have relayed here on the forums basically amounts to confidence that the E-M1 AF is better than an E-5. There are some conditions where an E-5 will work better, but overall Olympus is confident that the E-M1 is better and so am I.

I do accept that Thursday's hands-on evening was a bit spoiled by the cameras being customised willy-nilly combined with inadequate experience (myself included!) resulting in less than ideal settings for testing things out. I feel responsible for that - we should have told everyone the procedure for resetting the cameras at the very least.

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There are some conditions where an E-5 will work better, but overall Olympus is confident that the E-M1 is better and so am I.
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That's the thing where does the E5 work better. The one area I have heard Oly to refer to was in AF performance under low light what ever that may mean. Shooting in poor light is what we all have to put up with. So does that mean I can only get better shots on a sunny day

Is Olympus confident that the E-M1 is better than the E5 for BIF and panning at say motor cycle racing?

The British Super Bike Showdown is at Brands Hatch on the 20-22 Sep. Why not get some professional sports photographers to test out the new camera on that event with both FT glass and MFT glass.
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Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

That's the thing where does the E5 work better. The one area I have heard Oly to refer to was in AF performance under low light what ever that may mean. Shooting in poor light is what we all have to put up with. So does that mean I can only get better shots on a sunny day

Is Olympus confident that the E-M1 is better than the E5 for BIF and panning at say motor cycle racing?

The British Super Bike Showdown is at Brands Hatch on the 20-22 Sep. Why not get some professional sports photographers to test out the new camera on that event with both FT glass and MFT glass.[/QUOTE]

I agree.
There is little firm data to support whether there is a real improvement for C-AF on M4/3 lenses, particularly with the lack of cross-type PDAF points.

Is anyone prepared to say if the E-M1 is anywhere near as good as an entry level DSLR, or comparable to say a D7100, for BIF or action photography in general?
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That's the thing where does the E5 work better. The one area I have heard Oly to refer to was in AF performance under low light what ever that may mean. Shooting in poor light is what we all have to put up with. So does that mean I can only get better shots on a sunny day
It's all subjective and relative. The E-M1 can focus well with Four Thirds lenses in very low light - dark enough for the view through an E-5's optical reflex viewfinder to be very dim indeed. But, yes, my experience is that the an E-5 will continue to focus after the E-M1 gives up as the light gets dimmer. Is it a deal-breaker? - not at all. Micro Four Thirds lenses on the EM-1 focus in even darker light than an E-5. You also have the benefit of the EVF which works well after an optical finder becomes useless so you can manually focus in ridiculously dark conditions with the E-M1.

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Olympus in Japan tell me that their own field tests indicate the E-M1 is better than an E-5 in C-AF for applications like BIF. I am not a BIF expert but Andy Elliot, who is, and uses an E-5, is so far impressed with his limited time on my own E-M1 using his lenses. Panning and motorcycle racing - I haven't tried this and some are not optimistic because of the EVF freezing in C-AF mode, but Olympus tells me that this is not so different from optical viewfinder blanking as the mirror flaps. We'll find out the truth as more people use the camera for things like panning.

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There is little firm data to support whether there is a real improvement for C-AF on M4/3 lenses, particularly with the lack of cross-type PDAF points.
Of this there is absolutely no doubt - C-AF with Micro Four Thirds lenses until now was pretty hopeless unless the subject was fairly still in the frame. BIF, for example was almost impossible. PDAF in C-AF mode with MFT lenses is hugely superior.

The lack of cross type AF points is only a problem if you are focusing on regular horizontal detail, like venetian blinds. It is not a problem if you have amorphous details and that's mostly what you have with nature photography, for example.

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Is anyone prepared to say if the E-M1 is anywhere near as good as an entry level DSLR, or comparable to say a D7100, for BIF or action photography in general?
The word I had from Akira Watanabe at Olympus in Japan is that their field tests showed the C-AF performance was similar to a Nikon D7100.

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