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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

With regard to the above post.

A few decades ago, there was a system that allowed for the disabled to partake in employment. The name of the organisation was called Remploy. It served those with varying disabilities in a system that gave people self-esteem and a chance to lead as normal a life as they could manage. Everything that Zuiko / John has said in his post was, I believe, built into the system.

Why something along these lines has not been brought back I am at a loss to understand. Well maybe not. Government mentality these days is overly complicated, suffers from too many spin doctors and tunnel vision.
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With regard to the above post.

A few decades ago, there was a system that allowed for the disabled to partake in employment. The name of the organisation was called Remploy. It served those with varying disabilities in a system that gave people self-esteem and a chance to lead as normal a life as they could manage. Everything that Zuiko / John has said in his post was, I believe, built into the system.

Why something along these lines has not been brought back I am at a loss to understand. Well maybe not. Government mentality these days is overly complicated, suffers from too many spin doctors and tunnel vision.
Remploy was indeed a marvellous organisation, providing employment for many disabled people. However, it was not profit making and required government subsidy, so it was axed. Whether it was cost effective compared to putting those workers back on benefits I don't know.
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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

remploy still exists actually.
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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

Whatever the reasons for IDS' actions, he saved us from another week of American election crap. The nation should be grateful.

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Whatever the reasons for IDS' actions, he saved us from another week of American election crap. The nation should be grateful.

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remploy still exists actually.
Thank you, I will check that out.
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As I understand it, some excess payments have been made to some disabled. These include one-off payments e.g. for installing a handrail, which have been paid repeatedly, and those for special needs where the individual does not have those needs.

Where it has all gone wrong is that these should have been rectified during the normal function of managing payments. It is nothing to do with the budget and its inclusion was an error under any circumstances and crass to include in a way which could apparently suggest that it was a source of funds to allow higher earners to pay less tax.

The Chancellor seems to have included it in his efforts to show how clever he was. He did that extremely well.

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As I understand it, Disability Living Allowance (DLA) has ben replaced by Personal Independence Payment (PIP) for all new applicants and existing claimants are gradually being migrated to the new benefit. The criteria to qualify for PIP is much tougher than for DLA and many existing claimants are failing to qualify. This is an ongoing process that has been happening for several years and will continue until all existing claimants of DLA have been reassessed for PIP. This will not be affected by the apparent U-turn over the £4.4 billion cuts announced in the Budget, which were planned to reduce the amount paid to those who still qualified.

I suspect that most of those commenting on this debacle don't fully understand the issues, and are making more general political points.

The concept of taking much needed benefits away from genuinely disabled people is one that I abhor, but I don't know if this is really the case?

My understanding at present (based on a BBC report) is that many 'disabled' people receive benefits in the from of DLA or PIP but do not actually need these benefits.

Examples were given of several disabled people who needed specific mobility aids or adjustments to their homes in order to lead an otherwise 'normal' life. These adjustments included hand-rails and other one-off fitments that were provided by the government. Once these were fitted there was no further cost to the individual, yet they continued to receive significant sums in the form of DLA or PIP. It was these payments that George Osborne proposed should be stopped.

Clearly, stopping any benefit is an emotive issue, especially where disabled people are concerned.

This is a serious matter that goes far beyond politician bashing, so if anybody here knows what this is really about I would be very interested to hear.
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I've stopped watching Question Time, I have a greater supply of bricks than TVs. A few years ago, a Labour MP defended the party's immigration policy praising the tolerance of the British people and our ability to integrate newcomers and to function as a multicultural society. So far so good but the country cited as a good example of where people of various faiths live and work together was .............

Syria.

Ignorance that beggars belief, society in that country had deep fault lines long before the current unrest. Idiots, buffoons and self-servers that do not know the difference between was is wrong (as in I have done nothing wrong) and straying into illegality. I heard one Tory politician defend Malcom Rifkind by saying all he had done wrong was to have been influenced by a pretty face. For someone who had access to the country's intelligence secrets, I'd say that was indefensible.

Just going off to shout some expletives.


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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

Just to give a historical example. Some 20 years or so ago, an adult male neighbour was assessed as unfit to work because he had flat feet. That was clearly nonsense.

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I've stopped watching Question Time, I have a greater supply of bricks than TVs. A few years ago, a Labour MP defended the party's immigration policy praising the tolerance of the British people and our ability to integrate newcomers and to function as a multicultural society. So far so good but the country cited as a good example of where people of various faiths live and work together was .............

Syria.

Ignorance that beggars belief, society in that country had deep fault lines long before the current unrest. Idiots, buffoons and self-servers that do not know the difference between was is wrong (as in I have done nothing wrong) and straying into illegality. I heard one Tory politician defend Malcom Rifkind by saying all he had done wrong was to have been influenced by a pretty face. For someone who had access to the country's intelligence secrets, I'd say that was indefensible.

Just going off to shout some expletives.


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I suspect that if Donald Trump makes it to the Whitehouse our discussions here will be the least of our worries!

Come to that, Hilary Clinton doesn't look a much better alternative.
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I suspect that if Donald Trump makes it to the Whitehouse our discussions here will be the least of our worries!

Come to that, Hilary Clinton doesn't look a much better alternative.
I think the best answer to this is a post I saw on Facebook:

"Dear America, you think you're having an election, the rest of the world is seeing it as an IQ test - you're not looking good"
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Poll finds 41% of likely Trump voters want to bomb Agrabah — the fictional city from ‘Aladdin’

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2470693
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Poll finds 41% of likely Trump voters want to bomb Agrabah — the fictional city from ‘Aladdin’

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2470693
One thing is for sure - they don't have a clue where in the world their armed forces are bombing, but then that hasn't changed much in 70 years

Not so long ago I had reason to call an American company for technical support. (To be fair, they still do phone calls, which few companies here will allow nowadays.)

Anyhow, the 'Agent' asked for my address, and then asked: "Durr-ham, is that in You-rope?"
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You will need the new 300mm just to see across the credibility gap...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35884080
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Ah but remember the last government!
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