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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

The whole political system is a farce and always has been. The only difference is that they now don't bother / don't care who knows it. The rules that Joe Public have to abide by are convoluted gobbledygook, so much so that a certain faction make a living out of it. As a parliamentarian, Joe Public rules don't apply. Fiddling expenses, in our rule book is theft... Their rule book says: It's not theft per se, gaining money under false pretences is 'borrowing' until such time as found out. At this point it has to be paid back with a distinct possibility that that only a % of the total must be paid. IF, and it's a big if, the situation merits it - one has the right to resign with full pension privileges and a possible seat in the House of Lords @ £300 per attendance signature. In the very small print it says: You don't have to stay if there are more pressing engagements... like golf, etc..

The crap really hit the fan a short while back when they tried to pass a rule that would have meant that to get information through the FOI system, you would have had to pay for it and, that they could stop certain facts that (Gvt speak) could pose a security risk to the nation. In Joe Public speak, would seriously embarrass the government.

Getting back on track, I see that the long knives are out with IDS the main target. All of this will hopefully take our minds away from the other serious issue, which I've forgotten but had something to do with 'to be or not to be?'
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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

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And we like to call ourselves a democracy -:

Do not be silly John we have not been a true democracy since the European Parliament and courts started telling us what we can and cannot do.

As For DS he us no different to the rest,I cannot think of one politician that I trust these days.
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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

If I read it right, our " Government " freely sends £85,000,000 [/I]a day[/I] to The European parliament, but we have no money to fund the disabled.

Each and every man, woman and child in the British Isles has a Personal Debt of over £6,000,000 to fund the massive loans and " Black Holes " each successive party discovers.

The country is not only broke, but on its uppers, and at the moment 81% of your wages are accounted just for " Tax" open and hidden

Best way is to sack the whole shooting match, all you need is your MP's name and vote for anyone else. Forget " Politics " just sack all the wasters !


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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

Quote from interview with Ros Altmann in the Guardian today:

“Having worked alongside him as a minister in the Department for Work and Pensions, I have seen that he championed the very package of reforms to disability benefits he now says is the reason he has resigned (...)”
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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

Did anyone see his election speech on the Andrew Marr show.

To be fair, one guest presenter showed a picture of him in the back row during the budget, clearly making a point of his involvement. IDS pointed out he was not even there (at a funeral)...

In the past it was often said that truth was the first casualty of war. Now that truth is well and truly dead, what are we left to believe in.
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If I read it right, our " Government " freely sends £85,000,000 [/I]a day[/I] to The European parliament, but we have no money to fund the disabled.
The point is that it is this country which has been disabled, by membership of the EU.

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1. The neoliberal economics that Tory, Lib-Dems, Labour and UKIP subscribe to don't work. (This is agreed on by the London Business School and the London School of Economics) Austerity is damaging the economy.
2. The national debt is getting bigger.
3. The budget deficit is getting bigger, this is inevitable and not the huge issue that the Tories are making it out to be.
4. The government are giving away assets to private companies when they academise schools.
5. The NHS and schools are stifled by ridiculous bureaucracy and are deliberately being run down so they perform badly and so the government have an excuse to privatise them.
6. The rich are getting richer while the rest of us are getting poorer.
7. The government have stopped subsidising renewables but still pay massive subsidies to the fossil fuel industries.
8. The richest 0.1% of people own over half of the rural land and we pay them millions in farming subsidies. The EU wanted to cap this at €300,000 per year but our government blocked it.
9. The government are self-serving. Our local Tory MP has been shouting about getting millions of trees planting to be subsidised by government. Sounds good, but her husband owns a huge estates and makes his money from forestry.
10. The biggest threat to our sovereignty is membership of NATO, which can legally oblige us to go to war if another NATO country is attacked.
11. The government allows banks to lend money that they don't have, effectively increasing the money supply with no control. If you get a mortgage or a bank loan or buy something with a credit card, the bank does not have that money to lend but they lend it anyway and so you pay interest on something that doesn't exist.
12. The electoral system is skewed in favour of the big parties.


I really don't have any faith in Labour offering a proper alternative to the Tories. Most of the party are still Blairites and don't support Corbyn and are watered down Blues. (Check out The Political Compass and you will see that Labour is now a right-wing party.) UKIP are a more radical Tory Party with an extra sprinkling of racism, the Limp Dems are turncoats and have policies that blow in the wind.

I am not saying there are no good MPs. There are dedicated people in every party who are not in it for their own personal gain, whether you agree with their policies or not - Caroline Lucas, Jeremy Corbyn, Norman Lamb and Mhairi Black to name a few. I am hard pressed to find a Tory to add to that list!

I get hot under the collar just thinking about the demise of our land.
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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

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... I cannot think of one politician that I trust these days.
I can think of quite a few that can be trusted and they all have one thing in common... they are all dead.

I'm sure there ae many that do their very best and have the interests of the nation at heart. Regretably, those who hit the headlines for all the wrong reasons spoil it for those that do care. Promises that are made and never seem to be fulfilled don't help. As I said earlier, all that comes over is 'what can I get for me, not, what can I do for others'. A catch 22 all of their own making. IDS, if he has done the right thing this time around, still leaves many looking for ulterior motives, is a prime example of the general feeling of mistrust of today's politicians..
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And we like to call ourselves a democracy
Are you sure about that? That's the Greek version.

According to the Roman version, it means that the plebs are in charge.

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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

I think it is very unfair to criticise the Chancellor for being absent from Parliament yesterday. It is very much frowned upon to not keep an appointment at the Job Centre.

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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

Hmmm, could this be the real underlying reason for the U turn? Brain damaged Simple Simon would have had to go without. Still, I'm sure some kind soul would provide a pie from the his local food bank.

Still too much wriggle room in politics methinks?
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It's good to see that the torys remain their despicable selves - IDS' replacement also voted to take money from disabled people. How this government thinks it has any credibility is beyond me!
Ah but remember the last government!
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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

As I understand it, some excess payments have been made to some disabled. These include one-off payments e.g. for installing a handrail, which have been paid repeatedly, and those for special needs where the individual does not have those needs.

Where it has all gone wrong is that these should have been rectified during the normal function of managing payments. It is nothing to do with the budget and its inclusion was an error under any circumstances and crass to include in a way which could apparently suggest that it was a source of funds to allow higher earners to pay less tax.

The Chancellor seems to have included it in his efforts to show how clever he was. He did that extremely well.

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As I understand it, some excess payments have been made to some disabled. These include one-off payments e.g. for installing a handrail, which have been paid repeatedly, and those for special needs where the individual does not have those needs.

Where it has all gone wrong is that these should have been rectified during the normal function of managing payments. It is nothing to do with the budget and its inclusion was an error under any circumstances and crass to include in a way which could apparently suggest that it was a source of funds to allow higher earners to pay less tax.

The Chancellor seems to have included it in his efforts to show how clever he was. He did that extremely well.

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As I understand it, Disability Living Allowance (DLA) has ben replaced by Personal Independence Payment (PIP) for all new applicants and existing claimants are gradually being migrated to the new benefit. The criteria to qualify for PIP is much tougher than for DLA and many existing claimants are failing to qualify. This is an ongoing process that has been happening for several years and will continue until all existing claimants of DLA have been reassessed for PIP. This will not be affected by the apparent U-turn over the £4.4 billion cuts announced in the Budget, which were planned to reduce the amount paid to those who still qualified.
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Re: One Down, Two To Go (Political)

Ever since becoming partially disabled myself I have held the belief that what is really needed is a program for assessing the practical abilities and capacity for work of disabled people, including work experience and new skills training. Incentives could be given to employers who take on disabled workers by making them exempt from employer's national insurance contributions, for instance. Unfortunately nothing like this exists and the assessments for Employment Support Allowance are geared towards finding excuses not to pay benefits, rather than helping people back into work within the restrictions of their disabilities. The only help available is the Work Program, which is designed to help healthy people improve their chances of employment with advice on CVs, letter writing, interview skills and role play, etc. It's good for what it does, but it is not designed to provide the specialist help needed to help disabled people discover what jobs they are capable of doing.
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