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Old 7th February 2010
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The Director in Rehearsal

Hi all,

I would welcome your thoughts on these two pictures taken from a rehearsal yesterday afternoon.





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Re: The Director in Rehearsal

The first one is a great facial study. However, the hand seems to float in unattached, from nowhere.

The second one, where you've focussed on the spectacles, really works for me.

Both are great mono conversions, not too contrasty but enough to give it feeling.
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Re: The Director in Rehearsal

No.2 for me too for similar reasons.

In No.1 he's got a great face but the hand distracts for some reason - if it was fully in focus I imagine that it might still look slightly 'wrong' so it may well be that it needed to be slightly more in focus but not fully?
Or perhaps the hand's too bright, thereby distracting the viewer, and needs to be darkened?

In No.2 because the hand is directly in front of the face and is in focus the issues above are reduced.
From the perfection point of view the hand could be slightly darkened near the knuckles, as it would be good to see detail in this area.

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Re: The Director in Rehearsal

Thanks for the comments. I have tried to darken the hand in No. 2 (the detail is there to pull back) but I need to improve my dodging skills as I end up with a 'halo effect' around the hand when I do so.
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Re: The Director in Rehearsal

No 1 works best for me and is a great character portrait.

Its been mentioned ,but the brightest part of portrait image should always be the face and in this case it is the hand which is detracting from the overall impact of the image.

I personely would not go with the dodging and burning tool as it is a crude tool at best as you have found.

As the background is predominantly black already (and I know that has been burnt in from the slight halo on the shoulder) then I would go with the gradiant fill adjustment layer.

Just set the black to tranparant gradiant first ,apply the adjustment layer so it covers the hand and alter the blend mode to "darker color", it will also cover part of the face but this can be removed using the grad tool on the layer mask like so .



I would also make a very slight adjustment using the highlight and shadow tool.

For your consideration.
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Re: The Director in Rehearsal

Thanks Paul for that.

The 'halo' in the background of no. 1 was an artefact of the processing but there was no dodge or burn applied there. Agreed that applying the ND grad does help. It seems though as if the skin tone doesn't seem to now match with the gentleman's face - this also applies to the 'other hand' in no. 2 where it is also underexposed - is this a function of the b+w treatment by converting to grayscale?

The 'halo' I spoke of was that I obtained when trying to dodge the dominant hand in no. 2 - this hand is in focus and there is detail to be retrieved if I could darken it. An ND grad is not so simple to apply here as the hand is across the face so it becomes quite noticeable.

I'm using Lightroom 2 rather than Photoshop but the tools and approach for this work are I believe the same.

Thanks in advance for the comments
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Re: The Director in Rehearsal

David its a fact of digital imaging that if there is no detail in highlights then any kind of darking or burning in will result in a muddy mid tone and is something you have to live with.

The only other solution is to clone some skin detail in, which might be a tall order
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