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I probably wouldn't use flash for butterflies in sunny outdoor conditions. It was quite a dull day, to add to the shady conditions from the foliage, so I had no realistic choice.

I wish you luck with ambient exposures. Perhaps your nerves are calmer than mine. In those crowded conditions there was always and element of grabbing shots. I'm not used to working with people around.

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Hi Harold, I will have a look for some better examples but these were already uploaded here. These are a number of years back with the E3.

People are a necessary evil in butterfly houses, most i can take but spare me the children who scream and run away ('will it sting me' especially when the parents don't know either!). But this lady made a bed for these to pair up in.



And I observed a number happily egg laying.



But I have quite a few where DOF is not enough or where there is movement
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Hi Harold, I will have a look for some better examples but these were already uploaded here. These are a number of years back with the E3.

People are a necessary evil in butterfly houses, most i can take but spare me the children who scream and run away ('will it sting me' especially when the parents don't know either!). But this lady made a bed for these to pair up in.

And I observed a number happily egg laying.

But I have quite a few where DOF is not enough or where there is movement
You did well to get those two in focus.

Thanks for the tip about how to get rid of annoying kids!

I took some really close shots of some of the larger eggs. (I understand Glasswing eggs are like fine dust). They are marginal for posting but will consider doing so.

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You did well to get those two in focus.

Thanks for the tip about how to get rid of annoying kids!

I took some really close shots of some of the larger eggs. (I understand Glasswing eggs are like fine dust). They are marginal for posting but will consider doing so.

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Harold I did not teach anything you made that up yourself...

Yes please...eggs are good and caterpillars too..keep them coming

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Harold I did not teach anything you made that up yourself...

Yes please...eggs are good and caterpillars too..keep them coming
There are eggs and there are eggs:




This is an image from my visit to RHS Wisley to photograph their tropical butterflies.

I carried a basic macro kit with me, not least because of condensation issues in the high humidity.

This supplementary lens is one I could not resist, at less than £20. I bought it in December 2014 but had not actually used it.

It was listed as “Opteka 55mm 10x HD² Professional Macro Converter Lens for Sony Alpha 18-55mm & 18-70mm Digital SLR Lenses”. It has “4 elements of high definition optical glass that provides unbelievable detail. “ I paid £14.81, with free postage (Amazon UK).

The lens was designed for dentists to use.

I wanted to see if it did anything like as well as my Marumi Achromats, although this is not a comparison.

Sold for up to 70mm lenses, I knew that it would give more magnification on a longer focal length.

Towards the end of my visit, before I moved on to the orchids, I found a member of staff, and a small crown of visitors, looking at these eggs on a leaf.

Attached the Opteka to my Kiron and racket it out to maximum magnification. That would normally give a FOV 17.5mm wide or 2:1. The Opteka decreased the FOV to 8mm or 4:1. I have cropped the image to a FOV of about 7mm. Personally, I usually find 3:1 the maximum practicable for hand-held.

The leaf was at about my waist level and trying to keep the focus and framing steady at a working distance of about 40mm was difficult. It didn’t help that the eggs were in a dip in the leaf, restricting the choice angle of view. Anyway, here is the best of two successful (flash) images.

This is not the most aesthetically pleasing image ever but it gives an idea of what the combination delivers at the expected DOF. Neither is it the most rigid of tests, more work to be done, but it looks promising.


I look forward to similar by ambient light!

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This is an image from my visit to RHS Wisley to photograph their tropical butterflies.

I look forward to similar by ambient light!
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Firstly, a 'cracking shot' Harold. And under the circumstances you must be eggstraordinarily happy. Well done.

Also I totally agree with flash on some forms of macro particularly where you want to side light a sculptural form. I just think it is often harsh and unhelpful on flowers and insects where some users pick up issues from shine and shadows. There is no suggestion of that here, it is very well done.

For butterflies i often feel people use a macro lens when a medium telephoto will give a better result, the lighting is often easier. And despite having five macro lenses I mostly use the 40-150 at the moment.

I am sure David has some more eggs. I don't tend to do that sort of macro.

I have never really ventured beyond 1 to 1 so all of your elaborate macro/micro kit is another world. But one which is fascinating and creates interesting images of what you look like as you approach your photography (with a tiny bit of dentistry on the side )

Many thanks for sharing and hope you can see the yolk.
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Firstly, a 'cracking shot' Harold. And under the circumstances you must be eggstraordinarily happy. Well done.

Also I totally agree with flash on some forms of macro particularly where you want to side light a sculptural form. I just think it is often harsh and unhelpful on flowers and insects where some users pick up issues from shine and shadows. There is no suggestion of that here, it is very well done.

For butterflies i often feel people use a macro lens when a medium telephoto will give a better result, the lighting is often easier. And despite having five macro lenses I mostly use the 40-150 at the moment.

I am sure David has some more eggs. I don't tend to do that sort of macro.

I have never really ventured beyond 1 to 1 so all of your elaborate macro/micro kit is another world. But one which is fascinating and creates interesting images of what you look like as you approach your photography (with a tiny bit of dentistry on the side )

Many thanks for sharing and hope you can see the yolk.
Peter,

This is my basic setup, as used for the butterflies, with both flash outputs diffused (a kit diffuser inside the foil pseudo snoot):

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/top...20/25#13097146

I just screwed the Opteka on for the eggs.

I agree that you don't need a macro lens for butterflies (except for in close the blues, etc. or for portraits). When I was using Leica Elmarits I used the 90mm, which is non-macro. I must get my Anniversary Edition Tamron SP 180mm into use, perhaps with my Alpha 7R. Anyway, the 105mm does most of the work and I have matched TCs (the x1.5 currently doing a great job with my Printing Nikkor 150mm).

The thing with the higher magnifications is that you can always find live subjects, often under bark or under rotten wood.

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The only hawk moths I have seen to photograph for some time have been in mainland Europe. I may have some Elephant Hawks from years back on slides

Favourite lately for me was this Broad-bordered Bee hawkmoth with the see through panels.


Broad-bordered Bee Hawkmoth - Hemaris fuciformis
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Broad-bordered Bee Hawkmoth - Hemaris fuciformis
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And then the endless fun of Humming-bird Hawkmoths in flight.


Humming-bird Hawkmoth - Macroglossum stellatarum
by Peter Willmott, on Flickr


Humming-bird Hawkmoth - Macroglossum stellatarum
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Lovely light in France to help capture the wings, unfortunately the second has not enough movement.

So looking forward to your Lime hawks when you get down the list.
Cracking set of Hummingbird moth pics Peter.

We had one of these in our garden last summer, this was the first time I'd actually seen one.

I found it very difficult to photograph due to the speed it moved, it also didn't stay in the garden for long.

You did well to capture these, I hope I get another opportunity this summer.

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Cracking set of Hummingbird moth pics Peter.

We had one of these in our garden last summer, this was the first time I'd actually seen one.

I found it very difficult to photograph due to the speed it moved, it also didn't stay in the garden for long.

You did well to capture these, I hope I get another opportunity this summer.

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Dave - Yes, they are very active and do like hot weather, which adds to the speed. FYI those were in France I have some from the UK, but they are harder to see here.
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I gave my egg a little treatment to remove linear motion blur, with some improvement:

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Vapourer Moth.



A film shot from the 80's taken in Cheshire.
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Vapourer Moth.

A film shot from the 80's taken in Cheshire.
By definition (it has wings) a male.

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By definition (it has wings) a male.

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Thanks Harold, I forgot that when writing the post, saves me editing it.
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Big Billy Butterfly Atrophaneura semperi Female

This was another at Wisley, one individual sitting on a flower for ages, possibly laying eggs. This is a large species, wingspan about 6 inches/15cm (no macro lens required). The undersides of the hind wings have the red/pink colour, not seen in top view




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Harold are you using coloured text, it is hard to read if not it is my machine but the other text is OK.
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Harold are you using coloured text, it is hard to read if not it is my machine but the other text is OK.
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I don't know where the colour came from. I couldn't see it. I copied from white text elsewhere and converted to black to post it.

I have tried again, this time going via Word. Is that better?

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