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Question upgrading from E-410 to E-30

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I'm thinking of upgrading my camera body from E-410 to E-30. Will this improve the image quality particularly indoors? I've 25mm pancake and 14-54mm Zuiko digital lenses which I generally use indoors but quality is not so good (a but on dark side and slow to focus with lots of flash bursts).
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Re: upgrading from E-410 to E-30

Hi, I have an E30 I did have an E510 which I Think is pretty close to E410 on performance side, to be honest you will only get about 1 stop improvement, but all is not lost have you thought about a fast prime lens like sigmas 30mm f1.4 which would give about 3 to 3.5 stops over the two lenses which can make a lot of difference in focusing in low light conditions and be a lot cheaper than a E30 body and still find difficult to focus, yes you can get a image with less noise ie 1 stop. for e.g E410 your setup f3.5 iso 1600 shutterspeed say 1/50th, E30 same lens f3.5 iso 1600 shutter speed 1/50 with less noise focus speed slight imrovement, E410 or E30 sigma 30mm f1.4 at 1.4 iso 400 shutterspeed 1/50th
noise level pretty much equall, you could probable go to iso800 and get 1/125th shutterspeed.

I am not trying to put you off, just ask yourself am I happy with the quality normally, you could ring up SRS watford see if they have a sigma 30mm 1.4 if they have take your E410 down and try it out and see what a difference it makes.

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Re: upgrading from E-410 to E-30

I started with the E410 (& still have it in the house) & with the E30 you will certainly get a camera with more direct controls, image stabilisation, basic Art Filters, multi-exposure (X 4) a flip out screen (& larger), contrast detect live view (with optimised lenses), a larger view finder with 11 focus points (instead of 3), AF fine adjustment with memory for several lenses, a nice big comfortable grip, 5 fps shutter, RC flash control, a top LCD for settings (something I never really used), dual control wheels (dials) for adjusting aperture & shutter speed (etc) & navigating the menu instead of using just navigation keys (4 way buttons) & up to ISO 3200 as well as the ability to add the portrait battery grip that can allow two batteries (which are a larger capacity than the E410's batteries).

You may enjoy it (as I did mine), but it is definitely a larger camera & not necessarily a big advantage in ISO, but focussing should be better. I also use external flashes such as the FL36R & FL50R with focus assist infrared lighting & which also can be triggered remotely in RC mode (using the camera's pop up flash in RC mode).
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Re: upgrading from E-410 to E-30

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I'm thinking of upgrading my camera body from E-410 to E-30. Will this improve the image quality particularly indoors? ...
No.

It will improve the camera functionality,
and colours change a bit,
high-ISO noise changes character,
resolution is slightly increased while basic sharpness slightly decreased.

I keep both my e-410 and e-600
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Re: upgrading from E-410 to E-30

Thanks Daveart, Ross the Fidller & Ulfric!

I'm still learning dSLR photography and while I understand all the details provided by Daveart, (and I do use it toi try out) I just want to take good photos indoors and as good as Nikons and Cannons do with their kit lenses (and mostly point and shoot)

I have invested in good lenses (I suppose ofcourse not pro level but much improved than the kit ones) but still indoor photos is a problem

It appears from various replies that E30 wont really improve the performance indoors!

Have I invested in a wrong make??
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Re: upgrading from E-410 to E-30

Hi I don't think that you have, The E30 will focus in low light, the lens I mentioned is not an expensive one, probably you can get one for around £100. or even less, all I was saying really is you don't have to invest in another body to achieve things, I don't know how low a light level you are thinking of. I have taken photos with the E30 of a rock group on stage with Led stage lights so not strong lighting but that took iso 3200 at f5.6 to get 1/250th. I dont think you would be taking shots of that low.

There were some canon shooters there they were shooting 6400, and they were impressed with my images, and couldn't believe I was shooting at iso 3200 and getting good sharp shots.

Dave

PS If I was in your position, I would think m4/3rds alot better at low light.

I went EM5 m4/3rds wished it had been around a few years ago?
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Re: upgrading from E-410 to E-30

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Thanks Daveart, Ross the Fidller & Ulfric!

I'm still learning dSLR photography and while I understand all the details provided by Daveart, (and I do use it toi try out) I just want to take good photos indoors and as good as Nikons and Cannons do with their kit lenses (and mostly point and shoot)

I have invested in good lenses (I suppose ofcourse not pro level but much improved than the kit ones) but still indoor photos is a problem

It appears from various replies that E30 wont really improve the performance indoors!

Have I invested in a wrong make??
The other cameras you mention, what price range are they & what ISO range do they have? The Olympus latest cameras such as the OM-D E-M5, PENs E-P5, E-PL5 & E-PM2 all have the latest sensors (from Sony) in them & they go up to ISO 25,600 (& they can take nice photos indoors) where as the highest any of the DSLR models (that use the Panasonic sensor) can only go up to is ISO 6400 & that was the E5 (using a similar sensor to the E30).
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Re: upgrading from E-410 to E-30

Show us some pics as it may be a matter of technique rather than camera. You could change camera and get the same issues.

Cameras have limits however much you pay.
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Re: upgrading from E-410 to E-30

Thanks all!
Daveart, I do also have Zuiko 35mm Macro f3.5 lens as well as 25mm pancake lens. I will have a look at Sigma 30mm lens which you mentioned. Regarding changing to m4/3rds I have invested in three good lenses not very long ago and if I change now then will have first sell everything and buy new kits. Don't get decent money on E-410 if I try to sell it! But will look in to the Sigma lens.

Ross, the other cameras I mentioned are not in the rage you mentioned. These are entry level dSLRs from Nikon/Cannon from 3-4 years ago (same time I purchased my E-410). I was earlier using kit lenses but after buying 25mm pancake the results have surely improved. I was hoping that with E30 I may be able to get better pictures.

alfbranch, I will soon PM you with couple of typical photos!
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alfbranch, I will soon PM you with couple of typical photos!
Dont PM them to post them in this thread to help others help you.

I am also going away tomorrow
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