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Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

I've no experience of the PEN range, but am a little mystified why Olympus would have two rather simlar ranges. Apart from aesthetics (getting rid of the fake pentaprism bulge etc) do the PENs have anything that the OMD range doesn't? Do people prefer them for aesthetic / fashion reasons, or usability reasons, or price, or IQ or something else?

(And am I being slightly provocative?) :-)
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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

It's a bit like VW revising the Beetle, a front wheel driven update of a classic believing there was a market need. Personally I preferred the original rear engine classic, similarly I would prefer the half frame Pen F. (By the way, I feel the digital Pen F should have had the subscript DF - it would make eBay searching a damn site easier.)
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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

Its whatever lights your candle...........

The appearance makes the eye appeal. Some want something that looks older and moor traditional, and don't want to be seen with a "proper" camera if you know what I mean.

Personally I prefer the complicated "proper" camera look...........

(I know they both proper cameras).............
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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

As far as I remember, the Pen series were the first micro-4/3 cameras. I think the first was the E-P1. It was nice and compact but didn't have a viewfinder, which appealed to some people but not others.

The first of the OM-D series was the E-M5. It was exactly the type of camera I had been waiting for and I loved it. Clearly I wasn't alone in this as I think it sold extremely well - it may not even be too much of an exaggeration to say it saved the company.

I think the anomaly is the PEN-F (the digital one, Steve ). Most of the development since the E-M5 has gone into the OM-D series, but the PEN-F came out with deliberate retro appeal. it looks like a good move as it too appears to have sold very well.

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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

Basically the PEN reflects the "Range Finder" design and the OMD the "SLR" system styling.
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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

Today, Pen is aimed largely at younger people, often female, who want a small and light camera to complement a smartphone and might want to use video as much as stills. The possible exception is the Pen F, which is more aimed at older photographers who prefer the retro rangefinder look to the faux OM SLR look of OM-Ds. OM-D is more of an alternative to DSLRs and for those who need the highest technical performance.

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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

The Pen F is basically an E- M5ii in a different body style. It picked up the newer 20Mp sensor along the way (and lost weather sealing!) but it's really a very similar camera in capability.

That there are two similar cameras from the same manufacturer that do pretty much the same thing is a perfect demonstration that there are different classes of users and opinions. You need to look at it in terms of intended usage, market segment and intangible things like aesthetics to understand why. Personally, as an owner of the Pen F and an OM-D, I see them having different usage. The Pen lives in a small bag with a few small primes and is my go to for general photography, Street, holidays etc. The OMD is my serious camera when I go out purposely to take shots of something specific. I usually use the larger zoom lenses with it.

That I can use the same lenses on both with pretty much the same UI is a great strength of the system.

I could live without the Pen if I had to, but not the OM-D.
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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

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Basically the PEN reflects the "Range Finder" design and the OMD the "SLR" system styling.
The half frame (also known as single frame) Pen F was an SLR with an ingenious arrangement of mirrors and prisms meaning there was no traditional pentaprism hump. Lovely!! In my opinion the best camera invented by Olympus.
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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

I have hardly used my EM1.1 since I got my Pen F..............it is so nice to use Not nicer than my EM1.1, just nice......and special.
I can even live with using it with my 40-150 Pro but with a third party grip attached. I would like the 1.2 but I am unsure whether I could really justify it to someone very close to me
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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

So styling and aesthetics appear to be a large part of it. And the PEN-F seems to have leapfrogged OMD in having a 20M sensor first, before EM1 II arrived.
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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

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So styling and aesthetics appear to be a large part of it. And the PEN-F seems to have leapfrogged OMD in having a 20M sensor first, before EM1 II arrived.
Yes, but the Mark II has an improved on-sensor phase detect AF system while the Pen F has no phase detect at all, making it unsuitable for serious use of SWD and some other Four Thirds lenses and for a lot of action photography.

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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

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Yes, but the Mark II has an improved on-sensor phase detect AF system while the Pen F has no phase detect at all, making it unsuitable for serious use of SWD and some other Four Thirds lenses and for a lot of action photography.

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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

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I could live without the Pen if I had to, but not the OM-D.
And I'm the other way around, then again as a long time rangefinder user I guess I would be.

Both are great actually, we are very lucky us Oly users.

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I would like the 1.2 but I am unsure whether I could really justify it to someone very close to me
Easy Dave, just remember that what ever you think it's going to cost ..... double it, if you get my drift

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Re: Why two lines, PEN and OMD?

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True - the CAF on the Pen is a complete train wreck. Worse than any of their other cameras.
True Paul, but then that's not its intended main use as I am sure you know. Traditional 'street' is where it excels. When I'm in Tokyo next year I'm going to just use manual focus on the street, the 12mm f2 zone focussed and f5.6 - f8 should do nicely.

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