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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

No worries about photographing Kingfishers, so long as you don't disturb their breeding site. Go ahead and take as many shots as you can get. Here's one I prepared earlier.

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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

Many thanks David. You have summed up my dilemma in a nutshell.

I don't know where the nest is but the public footpath is very well used.

I would never risk disturbing a nest so perhaps therein lies the answer.
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

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No worries about photographing Kingfishers, so long as you don't disturb their breeding site. Go ahead and take as many shots as you can get. Here's one I prepared earlier.

Z0001934 by Geoff Dabbs, on Flickr
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

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This may help as well:

http://birdersagainst.org/photograph...edule-1-birds/

The key words are: "intentionally disturb" - many nesting birds are disturbed accidentally which is unlikely to result in prosecution. It seems reasonable that if you know that there is a nest nearby in the nesting season then it may be unwise to attempt to photograph unless you have a licence.
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

All good advice remember I am in Northern Ireland and we have a different system over here, to take a casual photograph of a bird is allowed but to go out to set up to take shots needs a licence. In most cases no one bother photographers taking shots on a casual basis, problems can arise when you enter local competitions!
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

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All good advice remember I am in Northern Ireland and we have a different system over here, to take a casual photograph of a bird is allowed but to go out to set up to take shots needs a licence. In most cases no one bother photographers taking shots on a casual basis, problems can arise when you enter local competitions!
The birds want a cut of the winnings eh Ed
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

Firstly, if people don't know the law maybe they shouldn't post what they imagine the rules to be.

Secondly, Common Kingfishers won't be nesting this time of year.
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

As promised here is the response from Natural England

"Thank you for your email. You need to decide whether or not your activity will cause disturbance to the Kingfisher and if you believe this will alter the Kingfishers natural behaviour.

If you believe this will disturb the Kingfisher you will need to fill in the attached form.

As supportive information you will need to submit six photos of non-schedule 1 birds at their nest in lieu of references, you will find this information on the application form.

If you have any further questions please get in touch.

Kind regards"


Lots to think about now taking all aspects into consideration.

The form appears to be more concerned about activity close to the nest and asks if I will be using a DSLR or telephone to take some images and also if I propose to remove feathers from the nest or close vicinity.

As I am not a birder, I don't have any images of birds at their nest to submit as references.

All I want to do is photograph the kingfishers as they fly and perch over the water. I don't want to go anywhere near their nest.

I don't propose to use a hide as the kingfishers appear quite happy to remain in view some 20 metres away from the public footpath.

Lots to ponder.

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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

Personally I think looking at the BTO web site you need a permit to handle ring the birds. If you are taking pictures in their natural surroundings and not disturbing them you are ok.
We have one on a local reserve that will sit and pose and he's about 10 yards from a public footpath.
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

Given that response, I would be inclined to CYA and reply thanking them and saying that you don't even know where the nest is and you just intend to photograph them flying and feeding where they are clearly visible, and that will be OK without a license won't it.

It sounds as though what you are doing is well within the spirit of the regulations, and just in case anyone does get uptight about it you will have the email exchange as evidence that you have made reasonable efforts to follow the rules.

Good luck!
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

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As supportive information you will need to submit six photos of non-schedule 1 birds at their nest
As you now have a written request to get pictures of birds at their nests, you'd better go there and get some for them.
Or is a kingfisher a schedule 1 bird?
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

Kingfishers are Schedule 1 protected Birds according to the RSPB website:

http://www.rspb.org.uk/forprofession...schedules.aspx

Licenses permit Photography

http://www.rspb.org.uk/forprofession.../licences.aspx

Sounds like it is safest to get a license just in case of any issues.
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Re: Photographing Kingfishers - Permit required?

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As you now have a written request to get pictures of birds at their nests, you'd better go there and get some for them.
Or is a kingfisher a schedule 1 bird?
Yes it is.

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