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Re: new oly dslr with hd video....

From my dealings with CMOS and CCD imager chips, I believe once you have Live View sorted out (mirror up, sensor data streaming ditect to a display) then you are a long way towards having a HD video recording facility. You need to include a video coder in the signal processing but that is probably not a big deal with current in camera processing.

Therefore perhaps HD video almost comes for free with the new generation of imager chips and camera designs.

As to how fast it fills your CF card, well thats another matter :-)

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Re: new oly dslr with hd video....

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I must say that I think it's the way Olympus will go, if only to keep up with the feature sets of competitors' cameras.

Despite having had video on my compact cameras for many years now, I have never used this feature, and cannot see this changing.

However, I admit that for many it's a "must have" feature, and it would be uneconomical for a camera maker to do two versions of otherwise identical cameras, so I suppose it's inevitable and progress.
Video on compacts has been of variable picture and audio quality, but with the advent of HD video in still cameras, the quality can now be very high indeed.

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If the E-3 replacement has video built-in, then I`m not sure I will buy it, which would be a great dissapointment, as I have been looking forward to it for so long!
Err, I read your post and honestly could not make any sense of it. Surely, if you don't want or need the video feature, simply ignore it? In what way could a video feature be detremental to the other functionality of the camera?

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Re: new oly dslr with hd video....

If a camera has video then be it

I believe that Oly was hoping to get away without it, because m4/3 is a better format for it, you don't have to worry about the mirror etc. But I think the acceptance of the likes of the 5D mkII will see it appear in the next Ex and that shouldn't make it any less of a camera! and they already have the knowledge and experience from the Pens.

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Re: new oly dslr with hd video....

The reason I look forward to it is because I dabbled with filming but put it on hold because whenever I took the slr I wished I had the camcorder and vice versa... If you are going to lug camcorder, tripod etc, you don't really need a camera bag as well. IMHO of course. I think having it all in one would be great. well for my wildlife stuff anyway. Also imagine filming through an equivalent of 600mm lens. not many camcorders could do that , at least not budget ones.. And if you don't want it, don't use it. I had video on my old bridge camera but it wasn't up to much, so didn't use it much....
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Err, I read your post and honestly could not make any sense of it. Surely, if you don't want or need the video feature, simply ignore it? In what way could a video feature be detremental to the other functionality of the camera?

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What I mean`t was I would`nt want to pay a premium for it, as it`s not a feature I would use! but if it did`nt really effect the price then OK!
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What I mean`t was I would`nt want to pay a premium for it, as it`s not a feature I would use! but if it did`nt really effect the price then OK!
OK!

As I said earlier, HD video has not mainly been a premium extra cost feature. There is only one example I can think of and that's Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH1, which is very much marketed as a DSLR-quality stills camera with a high-spec. HD video feature. The premium cost was mostly explained by the standard 10x kit lens that was optimised for video use (employing a near silent linear focus motor, for example). But even then, I felt that the cost of a DSLR body and a good quality 10x zoom lens would be much the same, so in the end there was no real video-related price hike to be honest.

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We are using the Canon 5D MKII and the Canon 7D professionally to shoot inserts in TV commercials but frankly the downfall is MPEG4 and PCM the video & sound codecs they both create problems for professional use but are fine for amateur use.
Olympus will certainly need to bring out HD but dont make the mistakes Canon made with the 5D MKII which was 1080P but only 30fps, the 7D is better covering both 24/25fps. Note dont do 720P like Nikon with most TVs 1080P why would you want to down res.

Olympus will likely be tied to what Panasonic provide but Panasonic make some great professional HD cameras using AVC-Intra 50 codec which is what they should be using to jump Canon, Sony & Nikon with a way to convert this to MPEG4 for home use.

To the point about adding HD video many HD video camcorders have had a still setting so this is simply reverse engineering but with larger sensors and better DOF therefor better images and creative control.
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We are using the Canon 5D MKII and the Canon 7D professionally to shoot inserts in TV commercials but frankly the downfall is MPEG4 and PCM the video & sound codecs they both create problems for professional use but are fine for amateur use.
Olympus will certainly need to bring out HD but dont make the mistakes Canon made with the 5D MKII which was 1080P but only 30fps, the 7D is better covering both 24/25fps. Note dont do 720P like Nikon with most TVs 1080P why would you want to down res.

Olympus will likely be tied to what Panasonic provide but Panasonic make some great professional HD cameras using AVC-Intra 50 codec which is what they should be using to jump Canon, Sony & Nikon with a way to convert this to MPEG4 for home use.

To the point about adding HD video many HD video camcorders have had a still setting so this is simply reverse engineering but with larger sensors and better DOF therefor better images and creative control.
Real pros would use a separate sound system to the camera's anyway. Olympus didn't use any Panasonic video technology in the E-P1/2. Their HD video is quite simplistic - only 720 res and 30p frame rate with MJPEG compression and AVI encapsulation. Panasonic's AVCHD format is a lot more sophisticated and allows longer clips and the compression is much more efficient.

30fps is not necessarily an issue with videographers, especially in the US. In fact 24p is favoured by some as it's the same as cine film.

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Re: new oly dslr with hd video....

I've nothing against video per se if it doesn't inflate the cost or compromise the stills performance in any way. I might find it useful on occassions or I might not. One potential use for HD video with sound I can think of is to record evidence if harrased by a security guard or stoped by an over-enthusiastic police officer!

It's true that you don't have to use features you dont want. I think my E-510 may have had some Scene Modes on it somewhere, but they never saw the light of day!
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Re: new oly dslr with hd video....

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30fps is not an issue in the US but its certainly an issue in Europe and Canon are going to be doing a fimware fix for the 5D MKII because of the numerous compliants. Its true in certain situations we use seperate sound for the Canon DSLRs but for run & gun or where you dont want to draw attention to the camera internal recording is preferred. 720P will quickly disappear its fine for micro 4/3rds but not for 4/3rds in a DSLR especially if Olympus wants to compete with Canon in this area.
Effiecent compression means you have less artifacts & noise when you play out your finished video MPEG4 is certainly a lot better than MPEG2, which itself improved over its commercial lifetime but AVC Intra is in another league, the alternative is RAW video like the Red One (this makes the camera cheaper to produce) with the processing being done during post ingest but so far the Japanease manufacturers have not embraced it for video only stills.
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Re: new oly dslr with hd video....

When I first saw this thread I thought 'oh god, no - please Olympus, don't go down that route!'

Yes, I'll admit I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to cameras - why on earth does the market 'demand' these features? Surely, if you want to take a photograph, use a camera. If you want to film something, use a video camera. I know the Canikon brigade have gone down that route, but does it make it right for Olympus to do it? That's one of the things that keeps me with Olympus - they've never been afraid to be a little different (in my humble opinion, that is ).

When I thought about it a bit more, my opinion changed to one of Olympus having to bow to the inevitable if they want to maintain a foothold in the market. It still doesn't sit right with me, but oh well...

Then - along came John 'Zuiko' Perriment's comment:
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It's true that you don't have to use features you dont want.
That got me thinking then - who am I to complain really? I have an E-3 - which has Live View that I still haven't really got my head round (I'm ashamed to say ), so rarely use. I also have the E-30. Again, the Live View issue - but it also has things like the mode dial having 'scene modes' etc. (which I use from time to time on things like the 'sport' setting), and of course the Art Filters, which I haven't used at all.

So - bring it on then Olympus. Put HD video in your next models, and if I ever get one you never know - I just might be persuaded to use it!!

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Re: new oly dslr with hd video....

glad you are contributing here Nova I - you are highlighting the reasons for one of my concerns; that any new camera with video would be judged on the video rather than the still, and be found wanting.
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I have "live view" on my 520 and barely use it....but it was handy on a couple of occasions...
I have used the "scene modes" though and they aren't bad

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Re: new oly dslr with hd video....

Well it seems like I'm alone here ... I'd really love it

I've had a number of occasions recenlty where some video of something would really be useful for presentations I've been asked to make e.g where I was looking at thermal steam vents in Italy.

Stills are wonderful and evocative as images (I did post a one) but the sound and sight of high pressure steam coming out of the ground is something else

As I'm giving a talk to our locally geology group I did some video on my wife's lumix and it's useable, but it meant borrowing her camer therefore stopping her doing what she was taking pictures of and it wasn't HD (however I did just get her an upgraded camera as a christmas present)

So bring it on and Ian when you get one as a sample I'll have a play

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