Olympus UK E-System User Group
Olympus UK E-System User Group

Join our unique resource for Olympus Four Thirds E-System DSLR and Pen and OM-D Micro Four Thirds photographers. Show your images via our free e-group photo gallery. Please read the e-group.uk.net forum terms and conditions before posting for the first time. Above all, welcome!


Go Back   Olympus UK E-System User Group > Out of Focus area > The lounge

The lounge Relax, take a break from photo and camera talk - have a chat about something else for a change. Just keep it clean and polite!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #181  
Old 17th February 2016
drmarkf's Avatar
drmarkf drmarkf is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 5,561
Thanks: 353
Thanked 491 Times in 411 Posts
Likes: 2,168
Liked 1,255 Times in 718 Posts
Re: Buying into another system

I have noticed the A7S EVF is a bit more flickery than the E-M1, but not irritatingly so. The camera's a lot slower to switch on and noticeably slower to find an auto exposure: I understand the mkII versions across the range are better in both areas.

The mkIs are exactly that, and we should really be comparing them with earlier Olympus versions! It is a work in progress. Even the A7S shows a number of good developments on the earlier two models, such as a proper all metal bayonet.

The filter stack has been thinned on the mkIIs, but it seems that you're still well advised to check on the various blogs and forums that they are compatible before purchasing any legacy full frame glass to use on them. I'd thought it was purely down to the angle of exit of light from the rear of the lens, and hence the angle of incidence on the sensor (with the 'thick' layered sensor responding best to directly impinging light from wide exit pupil lenses with a greater distance between rear element and sensor) but I'm now not at all sure that's the whole story.

Anyway, there are plenty of excellent recommended combinations. I'm still trying to resist that Tri-Elmar 16-18-21...
__________________
Regards,
Mark

------------------------------
http://www.microcontrast.com
Too much Oly gear.
Panasonic 12-32, 12-35, 15. Laowa 7.5.
Assorted legacy lenses, plus a Fuji X70 & a Sony A7S.
Reply With Quote
  #182  
Old 17th February 2016
crimbo crimbo is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Shetland
Posts: 1,736
Thanks: 100
Thanked 149 Times in 130 Posts
Likes: 22
Liked 122 Times in 62 Posts
Re: Buying into another system

Having got a Nikon d750 I dont have to worry about other lenses...if it aint Nikon it dont fit!
__________________
chris
shetland
Reply With Quote
  #183  
Old 18th February 2016
Kiwi Paul
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying into another system

I'm very impressed by the resolution and detail the A7Rii + Zeiss 55 lens provide ( and the Sony 28 f2 lens).
Here's a couple of samples, I won't post any more photos from this camera as I know this is a Oly / 43 forum but just for interest here's a couple, go to my flickr to see more or in higher resolution.

Paul



Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to For This Useful Post:
Wee man (18th February 2016)
  #184  
Old 18th February 2016
Phill D's Avatar
Phill D Phill D is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 9,782
Thanks: 1,177
Thanked 1,402 Times in 1,294 Posts
Likes: 1,021
Liked 2,334 Times in 1,108 Posts
Re: Buying into another system

Paul did you do comparison shots with your Olys?
Reply With Quote
  #185  
Old 18th February 2016
Ralph Harwood's Avatar
Ralph Harwood Ralph Harwood is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Wirral
Posts: 1,822
Thanks: 213
Thanked 294 Times in 274 Posts
Likes: 765
Liked 412 Times in 254 Posts
Re: Buying into another system

Hi there Paul!

The second shot shows great detail in the foreground, but the background is slightly OOF - was that deliberate or a function of the smaller DOF of the full frame sensor - I'm sure that an Olympus would have had everything in focus at f8!

Cheers,

Ralph.
Reply With Quote
  #186  
Old 18th February 2016
Harold Gough Harold Gough is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Reading UK
Posts: 5,747
Thanks: 58
Thanked 804 Times in 733 Posts
Likes: 40
Liked 3,186 Times in 1,716 Posts
Re: Buying into another system

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralph Harwood View Post
Hi there Paul!

The second shot shows great detail in the foreground, but the background is slightly OOF - was that deliberate or a function of the smaller DOF of the full frame sensor - I'm sure that an Olympus would have had everything in focus at f8!

Cheers,

Ralph.
I'm getting out of practice at non-macro subjects but I would have thought f11 might be pushing it a bit.

Harold
__________________
The body is willing but the mind is weak.
Reply With Quote
  #187  
Old 18th February 2016
drmarkf's Avatar
drmarkf drmarkf is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 5,561
Thanks: 353
Thanked 491 Times in 411 Posts
Likes: 2,168
Liked 1,255 Times in 718 Posts
Re: Buying into another system

I'm certainly noticing that focus is much more critical with my A7S for the night-time street photography shots I'm currently using it for.

Having usable ASAs of 12800 (and even 25600) helps a lot especially with moving subjects, but the focus peaking isn't as good as that on the OMDs so I'm finding you have to use focus magnification as well, certainly for shots at f4 and 5.6 which would be much less critical in practice with m4/3.

Like anything else one gets better with practice, though.
__________________
Regards,
Mark

------------------------------
http://www.microcontrast.com
Too much Oly gear.
Panasonic 12-32, 12-35, 15. Laowa 7.5.
Assorted legacy lenses, plus a Fuji X70 & a Sony A7S.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Ralph Harwood (18th February 2016)
  #188  
Old 18th February 2016
Kiwi Paul
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying into another system

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phill D View Post
Paul did you do comparison shots with your Olys?
No Phil I didn't.

Paul
Reply With Quote
  #189  
Old 18th February 2016
Kiwi Paul
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying into another system

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralph Harwood View Post
Hi there Paul!

The second shot shows great detail in the foreground, but the background is slightly OOF - was that deliberate or a function of the smaller DOF of the full frame sensor - I'm sure that an Olympus would have had everything in focus at f8!

Cheers,

Ralph.
Hello Ralph,

Full frame requires twice the aperture to achieve the same dof as m43, that shot was at f13 so I would have required to shoot at f16 to achieve the same dof as Oly at f8. The nets were very close and the buildings a long way away, it's often hard to gauge what f stop is required to get enough dof, looking through the evf it all looked OK but it's hard to see critical focus through an evf without zooming in.

Paul
Reply With Quote
  #190  
Old 18th February 2016
Ralph Harwood's Avatar
Ralph Harwood Ralph Harwood is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Wirral
Posts: 1,822
Thanks: 213
Thanked 294 Times in 274 Posts
Likes: 765
Liked 412 Times in 254 Posts
Re: Buying into another system

Hi there Paul!

I couldn't get the Exif data for the picture through flikr on my phone, so I did wonder how the photos were shot. On my recent walking trips I have been astonished by how much depth of field you get at f7.1 and using a hyperfocal distance - pretty much everything from 3m to infinity at 12mm.

If you were using the 55mm lens rather than the 28mm then that would probably explain the difference in the Dof. The important question though is are you enjoying using the camera?

Cheers,

Ralph.
Reply With Quote
  #191  
Old 18th February 2016
Kiwi Paul
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying into another system

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralph Harwood View Post
Hi there Paul!If you were using the 55mm lens rather than the 28mm then that would probably explain the difference in the Dof. The important question though is are you enjoying using the camera?

Cheers,

Ralph.
HI Ralph, yes it was the 55 lens (27.5mm m43 equiv).
The camera is lovely to use, it's very similar in size and feel to the EM1 (I've used Mike's EM1).
There are a few annoyances but it doesn't cloud the user experience and there are a few things I like about it too, in aperture priority mode as you change the aperture the change in dof is shown in the live EVF, very nice.


Paul
Reply With Quote
  #192  
Old 19th February 2016
drmarkf's Avatar
drmarkf drmarkf is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 5,561
Thanks: 353
Thanked 491 Times in 411 Posts
Likes: 2,168
Liked 1,255 Times in 718 Posts
Re: Buying into another system

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Paul View Post
HI Ralph, yes it was the 55 lens (27.5mm m43 equiv).
The camera is lovely to use, it's very similar in size and feel to the EM1 (I've used Mike's EM1).
There are a few annoyances but it doesn't cloud the user experience and there are a few things I like about it too, in aperture priority mode as you change the aperture the change in dof is shown in the live EVF, very nice.


Paul
Yes, I must say that is my overall experience of the A7S as well so far: I don't find it has much of a less quality feel than the OMDs (as the other Paul reported) and the irritations are either surmountable with more familiarity, or else are relatively minor.

I find it compliments the E-M1 very well: different tools for different jobs.
__________________
Regards,
Mark

------------------------------
http://www.microcontrast.com
Too much Oly gear.
Panasonic 12-32, 12-35, 15. Laowa 7.5.
Assorted legacy lenses, plus a Fuji X70 & a Sony A7S.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Kiwi Paul (19th February 2016)
  #193  
Old 19th February 2016
Kiwi Paul
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying into another system

Quote:
Originally Posted by drmarkf View Post
Yes, I must say that is my overall experience of the A7S as well so far: I don't find it has much of a less quality feel than the OMDs (as the other Paul reported) and the irritations are either surmountable with more familiarity, or else are relatively minor.

I find it compliments the E-M1 very well: different tools for different jobs.
It was me that commented on the EM5ii having a better quality feel, I still think that although now I'm used to the A7Rii it's not as much as I first thought.
I also find it compliments my m43 system too.

Paul
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Buying EM1 in Oz? Haisbro Olympus OM-D E-M1 1 17th September 2013 04:06 PM
Thinking of buying benvendetta Olympus OM-D E-M5 14 19th November 2012 12:40 PM
Buying From America jamie allan Olympus OM-D E-M5 7 7th May 2012 09:33 PM
Buying a E-PL1 stevednp3 Olympus Pen E-PL1 2 24th September 2010 01:58 PM
Buying advice Adagio Camera conference 10 6th December 2008 09:17 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:33 PM.


The Write Technology Ltd, 2007-2019, All rights reservedAd Management plugin by RedTyger