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Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

Whilst I am happy with my OM-D E-M10 I would like to have more pixels/larger file size of 50Mb minimum. The E-M10 produces files just under 50Mb and I realise I could upsize but I am aiming for the best quality I can get. Is there an alternative mirrorless body that would take my existing lenses?
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

Blimey, you must have very large walls in your house!

If you really must have more pixels the Panasonic GX8 has 20mp, currently the most available on a m4/3 sensor. Personally I think that 16mp is the sweet spot for the format, if we keep going higher eventually we'll be shooting fast primes wide open all the time because stopping down even a little will cause diffraction. I'd like to see future sensors remain at 16mp, with improvements to high ISO performance and dynamic range.
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

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Whilst I am happy with my OM-D E-M10 I would like to have more pixels/larger file size of 50Mb minimum. The E-M10 produces files just under 50Mb and I realise I could upsize but I am aiming for the best quality I can get. Is there an alternative mirrorless body that would take my existing lenses?
It won't make you a better photographer. 16mp is enough for most people.
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

I submit shots to a picture library who specify a minimum of 50Mb file size without upsizing. This is to cover the possibility of reproduction to large print sizes, even posters in the commercial world. I agree more pixels don't make a better photographer but size matters for my outlets.
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

What benefits do you think more pixels/ bigger file sizes will give you?

If you are viewing your images on a monitor display a typical 1920 X 1080 widescreen monitor only displays about 2 mp. Larger files just increase the need for storage and bandwidth for transmission. The whole point of the JPEG format is that it compresses date (lossily) to reduce file size.

The only way (as John hints) to display at a higher resolution is by printing and 16 mp will enable you to produce prints more than large enough for domestic use. The "megapixel race" comes from the marketing people who want to convince you that their 2X product will enable you to take "better" pictures than a competitors 1X product.

Did you see the video in this post http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40044 ?

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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

Do you really mean Mb (Mega bits) or MB (Mega Bytes).

My E-M 10 MkII produces around 7 MB OOC JPEGs when set to "Large Fine" compression but would be 10.8MB if set to "Large Superfine". If you use the raw files and convert in a programme like Dxo Optics Pro (which I use) or Lightroom you will get 17/20MB files. As Dxo hasn't yet been updated to handle MkII raw files I've been using OOC JPEGs and doing basic adjustments (shadows/highlights, micro contrast etc. ) and still get 17/19MB files after this.

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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

I mean MB Peter in the processed image. I can get around 47MB from a RAW processed in Lightroom to a TIFF without cropping. I accept that 47MB would upsize to 50MB without significant loss of quality but the library I use want contributors to use cameras that produce the required file sizes without upsizing. Until recently they specified DSLRs only but have moved to Mirrorless being OK. I would also like the extra pixels on the sensor to allow cropping when necessary. Around 20 megapixel would do it and I have looked at the Panasonic GX8 mentioned by John above but believe it will not accept my current lenses.
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

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I mean MB Peter in the processed image. I can get around 47MB from a RAW processed in Lightroom to a TIFF without cropping. I accept that 47MB would upsize to 50MB without significant loss of quality but the library I use want contributors to use cameras that produce the required file sizes without upsizing. Until recently they specified DSLRs only but have moved to Mirrorless being OK. I would also like the extra pixels on the sensor to allow cropping when necessary. Around 20 megapixel would do it and I have looked at the Panasonic GX8 mentioned by John above but believe it will not accept my current lenses.
The GX8 is a micro four thirds standard camera and will use any micro four thirds lenses made by Olympus, Panasonic, Tamron, Sigma, or Kowa.
See here; http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/body.html

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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

Thanks Peter. That would meet the requirement but on DPReview I saw this: "The original 14-45mm kit zoom and 100-300m will not be compatible" (both of which I have) see: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/948...mc-gx8?slide=2
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

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Thanks Peter. That would meet the requirement but on DPReview I saw this: "The original 14-45mm kit zoom and 100-300m will not be compatible" (both of which I have) see: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/948...mc-gx8?slide=2
I've just looked at the link and it appears that the two lenses you have are not compatible with the new Panasonic in body image stabilisation featured in the GX8. Presumably you can turn this feature off and just use the IS built into the lenses. In all other respects the lenses should be compatible with the camera.
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

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I submit shots to a picture library who specify a minimum of 50Mb file size without upsizing. This is to cover the possibility of reproduction to large print sizes, even posters in the commercial world. I agree more pixels don't make a better photographer but size matters for my outlets.
Go back and check on this as I have seen this before and I think you have this wrong as many top proffessional cameras by the likes Canon and Nikon do not meet the requirement as you read them.

Your camera can produce files that are just great.
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

Supply it as a 16 bit tiff file and it will easily meet the requirments.

By the way I find the way the size wanted keeps increasing amusing, they were quite happy to accept 34mb files for all purpouses not long ago.
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

Thanks for all the replies. First - Zuiko, John, I mis-read the review and agree the body IS could be turned off. Will have a look at the body at a local dealer.
Alfbranch - I have been a contributor to the library for the past 25 years, from my medium format film days, so I know their requirements. Cameras of 18mp plus will be OK. I agree the E-10 can produce great images, depending on the photographer.
OlyPaul - Yes 16 bit files would certainly be above 50MB but the library specify 8 bit. The file size requirements vary depending on which library is being supplied. Generally I have seen requirements reducing over recent years.
Regards and thanks again for all the comments.
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Re: Alternative to E-M10 with more pixels

Why not just up-res the files to the required level? I doubt it would make any difference in the world of reality vs perceived requirements. I was looking at some images from the Sony A7s yesterday and although it's only 12Mp, the results are gorgeous.
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