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Umbrellas

A shot from Isafjordur, Iceland. Crawling with Japanese (Chinese?) tourists.
Umbrellas everywhere!

Which do you feel is the better crop/image?

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Re: Umbrellas

I guess number 2. Interesting as it is, the car is superfluous and distracting.

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Re: Umbrellas

There is no way with any square crop that you could entirely get rid of the car. indeed why should you. #1 for me - anyway #2 looks cramped.
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Re: Umbrellas

Got to be #1. Firstly because I like the car, but perhaps from a photographic point of view the woman in the centre looking to our left is now looking out of the frame. If here face was hidden then it might be different as the focus would then switch to the umbrellas.
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Re: Umbrellas

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There is no way with any square crop that you could entirely get rid of the car. indeed why should you. #1 for me - anyway #2 looks cramped.
Because the title is "Umbrellas", not "Umbrellas and a Car"!

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Re: Umbrellas

It's not ideal, but number 2. In the original, interest is split between the umbrellas and the car - the proverbial "falling between two stools." It's a shame the wretched car wasn't parked somewhere else!
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Re: Umbrellas

Interesting reactions! The old cars (well, one was a 1930s bakery van - with a British licence disc!) naturally drew a lot of attention; once away from them, people dispersed.

I felt that what I really needed to do was to get up higher and to the right; not possible, of course. I think I have one or two more shots of people looking at the cars; maybe see what reaction I get to those.
How about this crop?
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Re: Umbrellas

Still too much distracting car.

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Re: Umbrellas

For me No 1 is better - it is a true representation of street life, and certainly will long remind you of your visit. So why change anything?
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Re: Umbrellas

I'd crop this really tight and do some colour tweaking to add interest:

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Re: Umbrellas

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I have to say I agree with Mick and iso. It's a photo which depicts the scene the photographer saw and what was happening at that moment in time. It is also a perfectly good interesting realistic image with no need of alteration IMHO.

Like many other photos posted on here, if it has to be changed and edited to the extent thats being suggested before being acceptable to the critics as a "good photo", my answer would be simply to bin it.

Photography seems to be no longer about taking true photos but rather creating images or works of art which have to be manipulated, and changed from what was actually seen at that point in time in order to satisfy the armchair critic's opinions of what constitutes a good photo. As in most subjects, all these opinions vary greatly, which effectively renders it a pointless exercise anyway.

Maybe we should all take up oil painting and creating our own interpretation of images instead of taking photos as at least that way, there would be no pretense of reality.

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Well, the answer would be to take an interesting shot in the first place.

The key things, for me, the OP said was 'Iceland' and 'crawling with Japanese tourists', this photo says neither of those things and there's no centre of attention for either the photo or even the (presumably - can't tell) tourists. the most interesting thing in the image is the car.
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Re: Umbrellas

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Photography seems to be no longer about taking true photos but rather creating images or works of art which have to be manipulated, and changed from what was actually seen at that point in time in order to satisfy the armchair critic's opinions of what constitutes a good photo. .

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FWIW, and IMHO, () photography is both of those. An image can be either or both a record shot, and a piece of art. Sometimes the same photo achieves both, and when it does we all click "Like" and praise it.

Whatever the shot is of, it needs to be pleasing to the eye, I hesitate to say rules as I had my b*m burnt on another forum for suggesting photography had rules .

Personally I think the original photo in this thread was a little un-composed if that's a word! But it presumably achieved what Keith set out to show. It won't go to the top of the class. Suggestions made are valid to make a more pleasing shot..................
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Re: Umbrellas

There are a number of well-established guidelines as to what makes a shot pleasing to the brain. They are not complicated or hard to learn and using them will definitely make your photographs more eye-catching and worthy of judges' marks if you wish to compete with your images. Any Google search with something like "composition rules" will bring back a feast of articles to read. The top hit today that I got was this:

https://www.ephotozine.com/article/9...-to-know-17158

Of course following "rules" or "guidelines" won't make you into Cartier Bresson or such like, but it's a good starting point.

Using photography as a form of record is good too - but unless it's a shot of something newsworthy it's unlikely to garner a lot of appreciation from the masses!
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I'd crop this really tight and do some colour tweaking to add interest:

Yes, you can do that sort of thing; I have done it in the past. But it's nothing like reality! (Unless you have very strange eyesight!)

I don't like a lot of manipulation, and that drives me away form doing such a radical alteration. But, interesting views. Unfortunately, people in the street rarely do what you want them to do - or even expect them to do - and what we get is often a matter of luck rather than design. I'm well aware of the rules, but photography is still usually a compromise.

I find most club judges go for the strictly formulaic, which inhibits experimentation. (Not saying the above was that)
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