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ORF or JPEG?

Out at East Beach, Southend on Sea yesterday.
Took some pics using Art Filter, Dramatic Tone.
On developing in LR, I noticed some artefacts on the JPEG. I got the same effect on all I took recently using Dramatic Tone filter.
I have not had this effect before when using DT filter. Exposure using aperture priority, no difference in technique as I remember.
Anyone got any ideas why this should happen?
Here is the JPEG, notice the lack of detail in grey area on rocks, RHS, also 'bits' on top of said rocks.


This is from the RAW file, just tweaked in LR to get a similar effect.
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

What is the quality of the jpeg set at on the camera? It might be down to the amount of compression?
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

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What is the quality of the jpeg set at on the camera? It might be down to the amount of compression?
Thanks Ian.
Dunno about quality. I will check, but I haven't changed any settings. I suspect that the quality is fixed by the camera when using the Art Filters.
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

I prefer the second
I am guessing you cleaned all lens etc.,
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

Thanks Chevvy. Yes, lenses all clean.
I checked the manual and it seems that the quality of the JPEG can vary, I quote, P44, 'Depending on the subject, tone transitions may be ragged, the effect may be less
noticeable, or the image may become more “grainy.”'
So it is really pot luck.
I think I will still use the filters, but then try to get the dramatic effect using LR on the RAW file.
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

Does the Olympus software also have the same filters as the in-camera ones?
Olympus don't want me to use their software so I can't try it myself.
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

Don't know Ian, I use Lightroom. I could dig out the Oly disc and see.
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

Yes, that first image looks like its suffering from a low quality Jpeg setting: Those little jaggies surrounding edges and details are a giveaway..

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Re: ORF or JPEG?

The dramatic tone has had the effect of appearing to sharpen the image also hence the jaggies, but the one from LR looks a little soft to me Dave which makes me think part of the problem is the original image being unsharp.
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

Here are two more, first the dramatic tone, notice around the lamppost on LHS.


Now here is the raw file, just exported as a JPEG



I don't think it is a sharpness issue, both of these images are sharp on my monitor, but the DT one certainly has issues.
I think that it is as the manual says, I quote, P44, 'Depending on the subject, tone transitions may be ragged, the effect may be less
noticeable, or the image may become more “grainy.”'
I will try to get the same effect using LR in future, shoot at DT for something to aim at though.
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

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Does the Olympus software also have the same filters as the in-camera ones?
Olympus don't want me to use their software so I can't try it myself.
Yes and can be applied to RAW post processing great fun
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

Must dig out a copy and give it a try Chevvy.
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

Hi I have had similar issues using DT , I now use on. One software plugins for Photoshop/standalone does the same thing with no issues, I have vers 2.8, perfect 4 and perfect 8 which I got for free from them, not sure why they send me these to me with serial numbers life use.

Worth a try if you have a free to use offer from them.

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Re: ORF or JPEG?

Thanks Dave, so it's not just me then
I think I have that software somewhere.
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Re: ORF or JPEG?

Here is one done in Perfect Effects, Dynamic Contrast/Grunge Contrast effect. With a bit of tweaking, I could get a better result than in camera DT.
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