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Local Park Fountain

Any thoughts on this if it works for smoothing time?


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Re: Local Park Fountain

For my money the fountain is too far away to make a real impact.
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Re: Local Park Fountain

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For my money the fountain is too far away to make a real impact.
I agree and it also feels like it is not level.
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Re: Local Park Fountain

I can see that now Stephen thanks. I was trying to concentrate on showing smooth water but looking again I think the bottom part is too dark anyway so perhaps a slight crop will help?

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Re: Local Park Fountain

I think I'd do a letterbox type crop on this. Also agree about it not looking level.Possible a bit of burn tool on the water to bring out the reflection a bit more.
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I agree and it also feels like it is not level.
I can see why you say that but I did check with the camera on the tripod for the levels. I have tried levelling it but feel that it makes the fountain lop sided.
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Re: Local Park Fountain

I agree with Andy about the crop. I also feel it doesn't appear level, but perhaps this is an illusion due to the fountain spraying more to the left.
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I think I'd do a letterbox type crop on this. Also agree about it not looking level.Possible a bit of burn tool on the water to bring out the reflection a bit more.
Thanks Andy I like letter box crops (16:9) because that is what my monitor is and my tv but am somewhat sky of cropping to that here as does not seem to be liked, but will do.

Can you explain what you mean by burn tool on water, I use LR 5.3
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Re: Local Park Fountain

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Can you explain what you mean by burn tool on water, I use LR 5.3
Well I'm not a LR user but in Element 10 it's Dodge and Burn tool. It is an exposure tool ie Dodge allows you to lighten the image and Burn lets you darken it. It can be used selectively with a brush.
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Re: Local Park Fountain

I've had a bit of play with an exposure brush in LR5.2 which was a new experience for me so thanks for the push. I am happier with this effect which started out as an experiment of long daytime exposures without using a ND filter.

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Re: Local Park Fountain

I think this could yield a very interesting shot if taken with an ND 10 stopper. Maybe try a different angle of location, and zoom in to get the fountain in the center with not so much else in the frame and try a very long exposure. That would smooth out everything and could yield a very interesting effect.
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Re: Local Park Fountain

I would suggest a re shoot myself I doubt a 10 stop filter (there are other strengths available) is necessary to get a decent amount of blur

Without the exif data its unclear was setting were used.
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Re: Local Park Fountain

In some respects I have been a little bit misleading with this post. I deliberately did not include the exif data because I wanted critique on the picture and the resultant effect and not the settings I used. I hope that does not offend anybody.

It is interesting that nobody commented on the blur issue until I posted that I did not use a ND filter

The normal exposure of the picture was 1/500sec f8 27mm ISO200 (LV/EV 14) so it was a very bright day. By my reckoning 10 stops equates to 2 secs. I do not think that using a 10 stop ND filter for 2 secs would create that much more blur.

What I did was to hold the shutter button (6lfs remotely) down until the buffer filled up. I counted about 12 secs. Unfortunately I had not noticed that I had the camera set to raw +LSF. I got 40 frames which were then merged using LR enfuse plugin. The point of the exercise was to see if the effect created this way could be compared to that taken with ND filter. The last two comments suggests that I would get more blur with ND filter but that's at a cost which I feel gives very little improvement.

I feel that the method I used is a lot easier than that of using a ND filter but I could be wrong as I have not used one.

Does knowing the method I used change folks view of the picture?
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Re: Local Park Fountain

In fact 2 seconds gives a lot of blur and much past that all definition can be lost.
So a 10 stop was the better solution. If is local just shoot later/earlier in the day.
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Re: Local Park Fountain

Hi there Birdboy!

Just a thought when using your frame layering system - what happens if the frame rate and the periodic time of any ripples on the surface of the water coincide? You could find that the ripples would be reinforced rather than cancelled out giving you no smoothing blur at all. It might be worth trying a reshoot with an ND on at some point to compare the image though - I took some photos of a waterfall in my parents garden and even at 1/2 a second the blur in the water was considerable, although in your case whether the surface of the lake would be significantly smoothed I couldn't say.

In the end if the blur is how you like it then you have achieved what you set out to do - the method is not as important as the result!

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