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No Richard; that address is burnt into my mind.

I guess it must be in mine too as I got the Box number right, but I never needed the postcode . The 14 presumably alludes to the K-14 Kodachrome process.
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So I’d say the future of all ‘real’ cameras is going to be as specialist and expensive tools aimed at hobbyists and pros, and the 1X is a perfect embodiment of that in the ‘action/expedition/outdoors’ market. There will be money to be made by manufacturers doing that sort of thing, and our gear is going to get more expensive but better at doing certain niche things, but the key to manufacturers’ survival will be how well they restructure to cope.
Camera manufacturing has enjoyed a huge boom over the past fifteen years or so thanks to digital, whilst photographic film production has shrunk and the market for 'instamatic' type cameras has all but disappeared.

I think we always knew that the boom in camera production was unsustainable in the longer term, and that there would come a time when there was no longer any need or incentive to update every twelve months. I would say that we have already passed that point, and we are probably back to where we were with film cameras in the 1990's.

At the same time film sales are increasing steadily once again, and a whole new generation is enjoying using film.

My interpretation is that the 'instamatic' market has been forever lost to mobile phones, which is probably no bad thing, whilst the DSLR market (including µ43) is likely to see major contraction over the next few years. The question is, how will the big camera manufactures respond to these changes?

My guess is that some of the big players will drop out of this contracting market altogether; just as happened in the rush to digital in the noughties. I would also expect that one or two will return to building film cameras once more to satisfy the new generation of film users, but using lenses already developed for digital.

Sadly I doubt that will include Olympus which rather burnt its bridges by dumping the OM series and adopting the µ43 format.

As for me, I shall cling on to what I have for as long as I can.
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Re: Global Shipment of Digital Cameras Down

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...More seriously, the digital camera has become an established mature product, so manufacturers are chasing a diminishing demand by adding minor improvements ...
... many find the 'camera in the pocket' to be more than acceptable, and one you rarely leave the house without.
I'm certainly not looking for another m4/3rds body,
I even picked up the 20megapickle sensor for cheap monies on a whim rather than looking for an upgrade to the 16mpx.

Cameras are so good why get a new one?
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Re: Global Shipment of Digital Cameras Down

Interestingly, Instax cameras (including the Leica Sofort) and the instant film packs are selling well; year on year sales are on the rise. Although the cameras are relatively inexpensive, the film is less so. However many are turning to instant cameras for the reason that it offers the best of instant smartphone photography and almost instant hard copy (approx 2 minutes to develop and it's wonderful to see the image magically appear before your eyes). I have a couple of photographic acquaintances I meet up with periodically who use the Instax type camera, alongside their standard analogue or digital device, and I'm always taken how artistic the mundane can look in instant hard copy.
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Interestingly, Instax cameras (including the Leica Sofort) and the instant film packs are selling well; year on year sales are on the rise. Although the cameras are relatively inexpensive, the film is less so. However many are turning to instant cameras for the reason that it offers the best of instant smartphone photography and almost instant hard copy (approx 2 minutes to develop and it's wonderful to see the image magically appear before your eyes). I have a couple of photographic acquaintances I meet up with periodically who use the Instax type camera, alongside their standard analogue or digital device, and I'm always taken how artistic the mundane can look in instant hard copy.
Do these instant films work in Polaroid backs I wonder?
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Absolutely ;

I'm certainly not looking for another m4/3rds body,
I even picked up the 20megapickle sensor for cheap monies on a whim rather than looking for an upgrade to the 16mpx.

Cameras are so good why get a new one?
Indeed, I'm fully primed with digital cameras. I will only purchase when absolutely necessary, eg when the last of my current arsenal dies. Of course that doesn't stop me looking for analogue cameras.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the directors of the camera companies are thinking, 'oh sh**, we've been too successful with camera development and we've killed the goose that laid the golden eggs'.
Digital cameras need to move in another direction. The desire to innovate and financial profit are good incentives.
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Do these instant films work in Polaroid backs I wonder?
Don't know, but good question.

Someone I know has a Rolleiflex instant camera that takes the Instax cartridge. It's great having the benefit of TLR and (fairly) instant results. Looks the part too! If I go down the Instax route, this would be the camera for me.
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Re: Global Shipment of Digital Cameras Down

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Do these instant films work in Polaroid backs I wonder?

The Impossible Project set out to recreate Polaroid film a few years back, then adding reconditioning the original cameras.
They've since morphed into Polaroid Originals



This is their current film line up - the 8x10 price is not for the faint hearted!

https://uk.polaroidoriginals.com/pages/instant-film





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The Impossible Project set out to recreate Polaroid film a few years back, then adding reconditioning the original cameras.
They've since morphed into Polaroid Originals



This is their current film line up - the 8x10 price is not for the faint hearted!

https://uk.polaroidoriginals.com/pages/instant-film





I've never seen a thread drift this far, this fast
Thank you. That is useful. I have often been tempted by a Polaroid back for my Mamiya MF cameras but have always been put off by the lack of Polaroid films to use in them.

This changes everything, although I have yet to work out which film to use.


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Re: Global Shipment of Digital Cameras Down

Polaroid film was always fearfully expensive. I had a back for my RB67 but couldn't afford to run it .
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Re: Global Shipment of Digital Cameras Down

Well that bubble of excitement has burst for now, but at least we have some certainty.

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Apr 11, 7:36 AM EDT
Hello Nigel,

Thanks for writing.

Unfortunately, our film does not work.

These backs use type 100 film (pack film) which, unfortunately, is no longer in production.
Polaroid ceased production of this film type years ago, and we are unable to produce new film packs as we do not have the production machinery. Our CEO made a public statement on this topic just recently, here.

Fujifilm was producing this under the name Fuji FP-100 C but stopped production over a year ago.
Current stock is still available worldwide at photography stores but the majority is now expired and without any new production, the price of the remaining stock is becoming quite high.

Best,
Jonas Bauten
Sr. Direct Sales Agent
Polaroid Originals Europe

The statement referred to can be seen here. I have just enquired about film for 5" x 4" cameras.

Edit: By way of an update it seems that 5" x 4" film suffered the same fate as 100 film above.
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