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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

In other words they are actually abandoning 4/3 for M4/3. It strikes me the Oly board did need a complete change after all. They simply want the 4/3 glass to be more usable on M4/3. What a shower we have in charge
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

Erm ... am I the only one who views both 4/3rds and m4/3rds both Olympus and Panasonic as the same system?
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

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Erm ... am I the only one who views both 4/3rds and m4/3rds both Olympus and Panasonic as the same system?
I think so. Different lens mounts = different system in my book.
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

If Panasonic ever produce a body or lens that interests me I'll consider them part of 4/3 and m4/3.
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

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Yup, I pity the poor Canikon users with their dull, dull upgrades... an extra mega-pixel here, another focus-point there... it's so predictable!
I don't pity the Canikoners, I think they made a sensible choice of system. At least they haven't bought a fortune worth of expensive lenses and are getting dumped by the manufacturer...

This message - first so optimistic - there seems to be less ground for optimism now? I'm still hoping there will be a solution, but only because I have a full set of all the lenses I will need in a long time... I love the 4/3 system for it's strengths, but I would have chosen Canon or Nikon today. Sorry, but it's true. At the time I bought into the E-system, it was the best affordable choice by far. It still would be - if Oly had bothered to market the strengths!

E3 and E5 are both looking forward to Greenland next week. And so am I. I trust they will work well.
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

Yep change mount and you change the whole system which includes the relevant lenses. Now if we maintain the 4/3 mount and produce a mirrorless camera that works then that supports the system but an adapter to M4/3 is a cop out to me and says that essentially we are abandoned in the e system range. I think this tease from Olympus is about to fall flat very quickly.

Support for a specific 4:3 sensor and trying to claim that it is supported is like saying in the old days - we will continue to support 35mm. Come on olympus your long term user supporters deserve better than the verbal diorrehea we are now being given.
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

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I don't pity the Canikoners, I think they made a sensible choice of system. At least they haven't bought a fortune worth of expensive lenses and are getting dumped by the manufacturer...

This message - first so optimistic - there seems to be less ground for optimism now? I'm still hoping there will be a solution, but only because I have a full set of all the lenses I will need in a long time... I love the 4/3 system for it's strengths, but I would have chosen Canon or Nikon today. Sorry, but it's true. At the time I bought into the E-system, it was the best affordable choice by far. It still would be - if Oly had bothered to market the strengths!

E3 and E5 are both looking forward to Greenland next week. And so am I. I trust they will work well.
Must admit I've searched hard for Cathrines 'less grounds for Optmism' and I can't find it, either on this forum or others.

The one authorative statement talks about Olympus delivering a solution which will allow the 90-250 to work as well on a new body as it does on traditional 4/3'rds DSLRs. Olympus are a lot of things, irritating and quixotic being well up on the list, but they are also rather good.

By referencing the 90-250 they've set themselves a high mark to match, I doubt if they'd have chosen that level of hostage without a fair degree of confidence.

I'm perfectly 'happy' to be 'urinated off' about Olympus (in fact you can find one or two comments in the group archives) and well understand the basis for concern. But let's give them the benefit of doubt at least until Photokina.

I still hope to be pleasantly surprised.

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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

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Must admit I've searched hard for Cathrines 'less grounds for Optmism' and I can't find it, either on this forum or others.

The one authorative statement talks about Olympus delivering a solution which will allow the 90-250 to work as well on a new body as it does on traditional 4/3'rds DSLRs. Olympus are a lot of things, irritating and quixotic being well up on the list, but they are also rather good.

By referencing the 90-250 they've set themselves a high mark to match, I doubt if they'd have chosen that level of hostage without a fair degree of confidence.

I'm perfectly 'happy' to be 'urinated off' about Olympus (in fact you can find one or two comments in the group archives) and well understand the basis for concern. But let's give them the benefit of doubt at least until Photokina.

I still hope to be pleasantly surprised.
Nick you don't find the statement by Olympus UK to be less than optimistic?

I am with Cathrine on this one as I suspect are many others.

If there is a deafening silence about Four-Thirds at Photokina, what is the next step?

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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

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Nick you don't find the statement by Olympus UK to be less than optimistic?

I am with Cathrine on this one as I suspect are many others.

If there is a deafening silence about Four-Thirds at Photokina, what is the next step?

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I find it telling/disturbing that it has gone from "develop" to "study".

Develop...To make visible or manifest : bring to a more advanced or effective state.

Study...To inquire into; Investigate: Research : To apply one's mind purposefully to the acquisition of knowledge or understanding of (a subject).

From the revised statement one could be foregiven for thinking they have not cracked it yet.

I guess we will have a more clear view after Photokina
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

It was reading this thread through from start to finish that has dampened my initial enthusiasm and optimism.

But hey, a good solution that allows me to continue to use 300 mm 2.8 and the SWD lenses 12-60 and 50-200 and even with more resolution and some other goodies (weather-proofing and well balanced are "musts") will be bought by me. I will put my money where my mouth is with this one - if they deliver

And yes, agreed. Olympus are good. But I admire their engineers more than their marketing folks...
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

If I were in the position of having a large, expensive collection of superb glass, I too would find an "adaptor" solution less than appealing.

Much as I love my E-M5, I have to admit that for some people (not me) there will always be a requirement for a larger body, with the increased resilience, battery capacity, and, yes, stability that these bring. And as yet the electronic viewfinder, good as it is, has its failings compared with a large optical finder.
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

An E5 mirrorless it is then with much as the EM5 has on board already. Maybe this is the solution they are looking at to support legacy 4/3 glass. Maybe they have decided the future is mirrorless in whatever format the camera is designed. The morror is after all the last throw back to film. A hybrid of the E5 and EM5 could please many.

Somehow I doubt there is an answer in the cupboard as yet else the tease would have been much clearer.

As for me my hands needs the larger size - the PEN size is too fiddly for me and the thin body is a literal pain in my thumbs when trying to grip.
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

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I find it telling/disturbing that it has gone from "develop" to "study".

Develop...To make visible or manifest : bring to a more advanced or effective state.

Study...To inquire into; Investigate: Research : To apply one's mind purposefully to the acquisition of knowledge or understanding of (a subject).

From the revised statement one could be foregiven for thinking they have not cracked it yet.

I guess we will have a more clear view after Photokina
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Yes, one little word maks a big, big difference. When they said "develop" I assumed they had thoroughly researched the solution, made their choice between adapter and sensor based PDAF (or some other technology we don't even know about) and were at the testing/refining stage. In fact, maybe less than a year from releasing it in a new, pro-spec body.

"Study" implies that they have at least one promising possible solution but they have not applied it practically at this point, not even for testing!

Of course, it could be a problem with not only the tranlation from Japanese but also difference emphaisis on certain words between our two cultures. All the same, what we really want is a clear, unambiguous statement along these lines;-

"Olympus are pleased to announce that we have developed a solution, using new on-sensor PDAF techology, to the focussing issues of using For Thirds lenses with Micro Four Thirds bodies. The new system is currently undergoing field tests where it has surpassed the E-5 in terms of focus speed, accuracy and CAF. Further refinment is still on-going, because we want to ensure this system is thoroughly proven before commercial release but we expect it to be on sale within a new, professional Micro Four Thirds body within 12 months.

The new body will incorporate all the advantages of our mirrorless tecnology, but be similar to the original E-1 in weight and dimensions to provide better balance with SHG lenses. We do not expect it to affect sales of existing MFT cameras because it is aimed at a market where a bigger, heavier body is still desirable and it will be reassuringly expensive! In the meantime, here is a video of the new system in action with a variety of SHG lenses, in a prototype body that may not be the one used for final release."

I suspect that is the type of statement most of us would like to see, do you think I shoud get a job with Olympus PR?
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Re: Olympus confirms new camera body for Four Thirds lenses

It still would need a direct 4/3 mount to be a solution any mention of M4/3 means an adapter and that is NOT wanted in the least. Useful as they are the promise was to support 4/3 system.
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