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What's wrong with these pictures?

I am guilty of posting most of my snaps in the Photo Fair section, when maybe some of them should have gone in Looking for improvement.


So, in the spirit of head in lions mouth, and also to encourage some mild critique - I'm going to put up a sequence of my shots for criticism. In my mind, some of these are ordinary, and I consider some of them quite nice.

It will be interesting to see what other folks think. Spot the mistake, name that cliche :-)

so here are a handful to start with.

Lee on Solent.


Down the farm.


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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

First picture is what I call a record shot, of the Hovercraft. Ok, but not particularly inspiring. If it was the HC you wanted to record, then perhaps a different angle or different cropping. Technically works OK, might be livened up a bit with PP, more vivid perhaps. But maybe you were unable to move to another angle............

2nd and 3rd are OK photos. The title always helps I feel, makes it clear whether its a candid shot, and perhaps see the humour.......

All good for picture trail etc..........
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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

First shot: Absolutely. Stuff chopped off on three sides. Dull day. Messy. Actually I would have loved to get inside that SRN4 - but as you guessed, it was in a secure compound so I had to hold the camera over a barbed wire gate to get any shot at all.

The third shot. Well, I think it is cropped too tight top and bottom. His boot is too close to the edge of frame and the chairs are chopped off. I am also not certain about both subjects facing out of frame... Oh, and did I add that rain? I honestly can't remember.

Any other comments folks?
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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

I agree with the comments so far. re the 1st and 3rd.

The second is IMO the one that is "nice". in a sort of chocolate box manner. It takes a moment to realize that its a wheelbarrow (well I think it is anyway) its reasonably calm as a picture and therefore i quite like it. if you wanted to make it more recognizable then wider would be needed, but it doesn't make dramatic - bigger ivy leaves would have helped

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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

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I agree with Mark on the first and it is a tough ask I reckon.

The second should have left the handle out and needs some PP to liven it up

maybe like this

Not my shot 2018-01 by Alf Branch, on Flickr

The third could have a few pixels added at the bottom to allow that room for his foot.
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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

Yes, the rusty wheelbarrow presented itself and I gave it my best shot but I did feel it needed something else.

So, heres another picture from my Hannington days.

Whats the critique on this one?

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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

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Yes, the rusty wheelbarrow presented itself and I gave it my best shot but I did feel it needed something else.

So, heres another picture from my Hannington days.

Whats the critique on this one?

You've got the snow exposed correctly, correct at capture time obviously.
I have trouble with those smart exposure meters in the camera. I like to spot and correct, ie +2 stops in this example.
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Yes, the rusty wheelbarrow presented itself and I gave it my best shot but I did feel it needed something else.

So, heres another picture from my Hannington days.

Whats the critique on this one?

I'm not a fan of overhead branches encroaching upon the main subject, in this case the church. I would have investigated the possibility of moving a few steps forward and to the right, to see if some of the headstones could form an interesting foreground with a less cluttered view of the church spire.
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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

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So, heres another picture from my Hannington days.
This is another one where I'd adopt a 'less is more' approach. Unless you really want the whole Church, I'd go for a vertical crop - Spire 1/3 from the left, balanced by the yew tree, 1/3 from right. Just two of the graveyard crosses and the snowy path lead-in.

The trouble with wide-angle photos is that they often spread things out too much, and lead to a lot of empty foreground. When taking the photo, you could have zoomed in for the 'crop' I suggested.

After looking at your excellent blog, I suspect you might well have done that as well, anyway
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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

I like that I would maybe crop a little off the bottom and clone out a couple of the twigs I like it though
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I like that I would maybe crop a little off the bottom and clone out a couple of the twigs I like it though
The only way HC-B would crop was taking a pair of scissors diagonally across the negative. In other words he believed cropping should be done with the feet.
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The only way HC-B would crop was taking a pair of scissors diagonally across the negative. In other words he believed cropping should be done with the feet.
Photographers of yore were a pretty prescriptive bunch. I do not know if H C-B was describing his methodology or giving an instruction, either way why would any photographer want to work according to someone else’s rigid rules? Most of us have neither the time nor talent to achieve the high standards of H C-B so inevitably do not get composition right the first time.

I find myself cropping more than previously, mainly to get my chosen subject more prominent in the frame. Taking a lot of street portraits, I often crop to a square format and recently find that cropping to a 5:4 ratio gives a somewhat more dynamic image than 4:3.

In his wonderful book, ‘Pictures on a Page’, former Sunday Times editor, Harold Evans demonstrates how cropping can radically alter the message and meaning of a photograph. Evans and Cartier-Bresson have diametrically opposing views on cropping it’s up to us as individuals to filter the messages and decide what is best for our photographic practice and preference.

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The only way HC-B would crop was taking a pair of scissors diagonally across the negative. In other words he believed cropping should be done with the feet.
Well thats just rubbish isnt it and I will not following such a stupid rule myself. What did he have to say on stitching images together and how well did he do at landscape and macro photography? BTW decisive moments can be set up you know and without a zoom lens on his chosen kit he had to move to get the composition he wanted but the you always do to get the angle you want.
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Well thats just rubbish isnt it and I will not following such a stupid rule myself. What did he have to say on stitching images together and how well did he do at landscape and macro photography? BTW decisive moments can be set up you know and without a zoom lens on his chosen kit he had to move to get the composition he wanted but the you always do to get the angle you want.
You have heard of Henri Cartier-Bresson, good. What about reading his many published books? Assuming you have read (well at least looked at the images) you will know he wasn’t much into landscapes, and certainly not macro.

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You have heard of Henri Cartier-Bresson, good. What about reading his many published books? Assuming you have read (well at least looked at the images) you will know he wasn’t much into landscapes, and certainly not macro.
I certainly recall that HCB was the definitive people/street photographer (decisive moment?) - a bit like Ansel Adam did landscape but not people. They are both regarded as experts in their field and by extension they are above criticism :-)

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