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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

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I personally can't see a mirrorless body being Four Thirds-only. But I do feel that an adapter in the form that it is with the MMF range of adapters is not the way to go either. I would prefer to see a modular style body that transforms from being a Micro Four Thirds body into a Four Thirds one, perhaps by the attachment of a beefier grip and integrated Four Thirds lens mount.

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The modular concept would probably be better allround in my estimation too.
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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

Four Thirds (MFT incompatible) body, E-5 sized and compatible with E-5's accessories.

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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

There is one option Ian omitted - and that is SOON.

And yes I'd like one camera body that can drive both MFT and FT lenses properly. Personally I've no complaint with the mmf style adapter and suspect it would be difficult to make an adapter for quick field use that incorporated both the grip and the lens spacer. And anyway why not just make the body big enough.

So lets set the timetable - an announcement before month end and product shipping in January.

If I'm right with the timetable - how about a field test model?

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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

Until there's some m4/3 lenses to compete with my HG, SHG and manual focus primes I don't care if it will take m4/3 lenses.
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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

First, I would like to actually see a solution. I personally have no need for m43 lens compatibility, and would rather not have to worry about having to have an adapter to work with my 43 lenses.

Second, an E-520 sized camera with a good vertical grip would be ideal for me, though I wouldn't mind another E-3/5 sized camera.

Third, I am concerned that an SLT like solution will be too costly with light loss, even with the newer sensors. I also prefer optical viewfinders.
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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

For me if it's E5 size only that would definitly be a bad move as it would exclude those of us who really want a smaller DSLR therefore limiting the market. So I'd like to see an OMD sensor in a base of E510 size with added movable LCD and a viewfinder that has the view of an E5. OVF if it has electonic overlays or EVF if it's OMD quality or better. AF speed needs to be E5 quality as a minimum with 4/3s lenses, how that's arranged I don't really care but this camera needs to be able to AF and track BiF & fast moving action up there with the competition. Use of m4/3 lenses not essential in my book but it would be included if a mirrorless approach is chosen which I suspect it probably would be. That would obviously maximise market appeal but potentially take sales away from the OMD? Anyway a very good option in my view would be to have a base body of E510 size (or E620 size) but with grip options as per the OMD such that when the grip is added it becomes an E5 replacement.
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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

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Good question. At the risk of repeating myself from previous threads which have debated this here goes, in no particular order, with my very personal view much of which I fully accept is fanciful ..........

  • 4/3 body
  • no smaller that E520/620 size but I'd be happier with E5/3 size
    • there is the OM-D range for those wanting smaller
  • nice and chunky to hold with a decent sized grip
  • large low noise ISO range with slow support in the form of ISO 50, 25
  • GPS built in for tagging
  • wi-fi/bluetooth built in
  • apps (iOS, Android and Windows) released at camera launch for full remote control via bluetooth and wi-fi including control for long exposures and interval timing etc so you don't need a seperate remote control device
  • hyper focal distance displays and controls for focus points ( AF to hyper focus point for lens/ap in use as well as display of in foucus range)
  • fast AF
  • nice and chunky to hold with a decent sized grip !
  • don't need "art filters" - just controllable ASM
  • large fully articulated screen viewable in bright light
  • at least two programmable Fn buttons on rear
  • display panel on top of body as in E3 etc.
  • weather proof
  • fexible bracketing controls
  • nice and chunky to hold with a decent sized grip !!
  • make it of carbon or simlar so that it's light bit still nice and chunky to hold. They build F1 cars out of it and I've sailed on carbon race boats for years and they are strong so no reason, other than possible manufactoring issues, not to use that material.
  • continue with excellent IS
  • accurate lens correction profiles for LR and CS devised and released by Olympus at camera launch
  • dual SD card
  • nice and chunky to hold with a decent sized grip
I could go but you get the drift. A flexible, decent sized camera to take advantage of the excellent 4/3 glass aimed at Pro's and enthusiasts with some of the more useful modern tech built in to make the beast a workman like tool.


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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

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1. Micro Four Thirds body with Sony-style adapter with semi-silvered mirror and conventional DSLR-style phase detect AF.

Is it a given that MFT lenses will work as well with PDAF as they do with CDAF?
The PDAF adapter would only be for use with Four Thirds lenses.

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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

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Picked up my old E1 the other day it still feels right so around that size - bit smaller than E5
not sure the sony approach is right although its got history with E10/20
Worth noting that sony have recently shown on chip phase detection

i think i have suggested something similar to Ians modular suggestion and believe it is a sensible method and goes along with the OMD style modular grip

one thing it will need is decent power so bigger batteries please

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On-chip phase detection that we have already seen does mean pixels sacrificed for AF and I don't think it is proven that the system works nearly as well as conventional PDAF.

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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

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There is one option Ian omitted - and that is SOON.

And yes I'd like one camera body that can drive both MFT and FT lenses properly. Personally I've no complaint with the mmf style adapter and suspect it would be difficult to make an adapter for quick field use that incorporated both the grip and the lens spacer. And anyway why not just make the body big enough.

So lets set the timetable - an announcement before month end and product shipping in January.

If I'm right with the timetable - how about a field test model?

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Time is do distorted now, Nick, my test review pre production sample is reverse-evolving at a rapid rate - it's currently looking like an OM-2sp...

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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

  • E5 Size, buttons and displays
  • Takes E5 accessories/batteries and at least one CF slot
  • No adaptors (unless a complete modular concept)
  • Nothing that reduces available light (see through mirrors and things)
  • AF/CAF that works
  • No video or art filters required. (but happy to just ignore it)
  • No preference on viewfinder so long as it works
  • IS, Wi-Fi etc. is a bonus

But above all I need a firm commitment from Olympus (with a probable time scale) that something will happen that offers 4/3 lenses a future.
I am fed up with rumours about rumours and studies.

If this thread was instigated by Olympus as part of their study on what to produce and nothing is in the pipeline I fear it will be to late for me what ever is produced.
And as my four thirds equipment appears to have no resell value it will just sit on the shelf with my OM kit and get dragged out occasionally and I will think what might of been..................

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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

E6xx or E5xx, or even E3x size (but smaller than E3/5), so still nicely balanced with 4/3 lenses. Too many people don't want to sell their wonderful SHG and HG lenses - me included.
Video would be ok too. Not bothered about Art Filters. High ISO is a must, and also tilt/swivel screen, and all the other wonderful features of the more recent models.

But as the Big Two seem to be able to bring out multiple sizes and models all the time, why can Olympus not continue to support the loyal 4/3 diehards as well as developing the m4/3 range? They obviously still have the capability to produce cameras such as the E5, why not give people what they obviously want, and give us a very slightly smaller, and lighter, E7...
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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

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E6xx or E5xx, or even E3x size (but smaller than E3/5), so still nicely balanced with 4/3 lenses. Too many people don't want to sell their wonderful SHG and HG lenses - me included.
Video would be ok too. Not bothered about Art Filters. High ISO is a must, and also tilt/swivel screen, and all the other wonderful features of the more recent models.

But as the Big Two seem to be able to bring out multiple sizes and models all the time, why can Olympus not continue to support the loyal 4/3 diehards as well as developing the m4/3 range? They obviously still have the capability to produce cameras such as the E5, why not give people what they obviously want, and give us a very slightly smaller, and lighter, E7...

I agree. I don't want arty farty filters,I have editing software to do most of that when required - which is not that often.

I just want a FF Olympus which would mate with my existing Zuiko lenses. A higher ISO definitely. 12 months ago I would have said poo poo to Video but it is becoming something that people really want.

Olympus has the technical nuance to make such a camera - but the constant rumour upon rumour without any substantial info coming out of Oly is too much.

Just imagine for one moment this scenario :

Client : I really need you to supply my iimages to the quality that I demand and
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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

Perhaps Ian should consider a fourth option:-
rapidly produce a range of top quality weatherproof MFT zoom lens e.g. 12-60, 50-200, 90-250 (all with F3.5 max aperture) together with an MFT x1.4 teleconvertor.
This would cater for a larger customer base than just the remainng FT-only users and has a potentially longer life cycle.
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Re: The Four Thirds solution - what would you like to see?

OK - here is my 2p worth:


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1. Micro Four Thirds body with Sony-style adapter with semi-silvered mirror and conventional DSLR-style phase detect AF.
Not on my wish list - I would just carry on with my E5 if that was the offering


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2. Four Thirds (MFT incompatible) body.[
I would see this as only a stop gap that could be useful and certainly would let me continue to use my HG lenses but at the moment I do not feel any urgent need to upgrade the sensor, although that might change.

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3. Micro Four Thirds body with trick sensor-based AF that works equally well with MFT and Four Thirds lenses.
Very attractive from my point of view as I would continue to to use my HG lenses and also get access to all those lovely primes that Oly is rolling out for mFT. Such an animal might explain Oly's apparent reluctance to put money into mFT zooms as they may just be waiting for the existing FT zoom range to become available. A large stable of brilliant lenses suddenly become available to mFT might very well lead to a large sales boost!


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Also - how big should the camera body be? E-3/5 sized, E-620 sized?
I am not really familiar with the E-620 but am with the E510 and that is a lovely size. A system with a good EVF and the ability to take both ranges of lenses would have great potential - people who had bought Pens plus a couple of lenses could be offered a lovely upgrade path.


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What other features would you like to see?
Auto exposure of set sequences on one button press perhaps?

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