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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

It does bobble about a bit in your hip with the sash types ( I have the same one posted in the ebay link above) but agree with the others it's easy to hold sterady with your hand.

I feel happier turning the swivel screen so that the actual screen is facing inwards i.e protected on the 620.
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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

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Not really. I try to have mine slung so it's over my left buttock rather than at my side. And I tend to keep my hand touching it (the camera, not the buttock...)
I'm outdoors, in public, but basically on my own, and I just laughed out loud & hearty at that - thanks. Now the natives think I'm crazy.

I usually have my Tamrac Adventure 6 with me, and I just saw this;

http://www.parkcameras.com/9737/Tamr...era-Strap.html

I think I might prefer that option to a sling. I'll keep looking/listening.

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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

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I use a wide neoprene Op-Tech Pro Loop strap which I find far more comfortable than the standard Oly strap. I haven't got your camera/lens combo but have had an E-5/50-200mm on it for most of a day with no issues.

If you want to attach the camera to your backpack Op-Tech also do these

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which look like a cheaper option than the Tamrac version.
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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

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Mark

I use a wide neoprene Op-Tech Pro Loop strap which I find far more comfortable than the standard Oly strap. I haven't got your camera/lens combo but have had an E-5/50-200mm on it for most of a day with no issues.

If you want to attach the camera to your backpack Op-Tech also do these

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Op-Tech-Conn...8669351&sr=8-8


which look like a cheaper option than the Tamrac version.
Another vote for the Op Tech system, I am building quite a nice collection of straps, slings and accesscories!

I use the pro loop connectors so that it is all easily interchanged, OpTech also do a sling strap adapter that converts their standard neck strap into a sling version. I have this along with a double version for when I'm wanting to carry two bodies.

One point however is that the Black Rapid tripod connector and clip are, in my opinion, better for sling strap use than the pro loops from Op Tech. You can by the tripod mount and little karibiner clips from Black Rapid and I have added these to the Op Tech strap.

I can now quickly choose and convert any of my cameras to any of the following options:
- Hand held with grip strap
- Standard neoprene neck strap
- Cross body sling strap
- Attached to the shoulder straps on a camera backpack

- Double camera sling strap
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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

I have never worked with the camera around my neck.
Always on shoulder straps, and with the in-use body on the right and the occasional body on the left.
So the longer lens on the left for in the paddock and pit lane, but on the right for most track work.
I recently bought a pair of black rapid straps, and I'll see how they go at the next race.
Just using one for the 300mm f/2.8 was great, much better than standard straps.
And it doesn't slip off the shoulder like normal straps will, no matter what rubber they use for grip.
Personally I hate the neoprene straps, they stretch as I walk and the camera moves and feels insecure - particularly with a heavy prime lens on the camera.
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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

The more I look into this, the more I lean toward clipping the camera to the backpack shoulder straps - the backpack is on my back all day anyway.

Both OP Tech & Tamrac's seem suitable, though I'll be giving my wife the Adventure 6 when I give her her E-410 & lenses back.

But for my E-620 & lenses, I'll be getting another backpack. Been looking at Tamrac's website for something suitable. I know there are a few other brands, but I really like the Adventure 6 - it's comfy, and really well made, and IIRC, it wasn't too dear (think I got it from picstop). But I'm totally open to other brands.

Are any of you guys aware of a camera backpack that has all of these features?
  • Room for:
  • E-620 with HLD-5 grip + 70-300 lens attached
  • 14-42 lens
  • 40-150 lens
  • Nikon Action EX 7x50 binoculars
  • HDD camcorder (haven't got one yet, but would like a new bag to have room for one for when I get one...)
  • Spare batteries, memory cards, etc.
  • Side pockets for drinks
  • Centre-line (vertical) attachment system for a tripod
  • Separate compartment for a nice sandwich & a Starbar (the best bar)
  • Separate compartment for a 17" laptop
  • Shoulder straps that will accommodate the kind of straps I'm talking about for clipping the camera onto.

From Tamrac, I like the new Evolution packs, but they don't have drinks side-pockets, and it doesn't look like the shoulder straps will take the camera strap clips.

The Adventure 9 seems ideal but for the lack of the centre-line vertical tripod attachment.
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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

just to throw in my tuppence worth

I carry mine this way slung across my right shoulder





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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

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Are any of you guys aware of a camera backpack that has all of these features?
  • Room for:
  • E-620 with HLD-5 grip + 70-300 lens attached
  • 14-42 lens
  • 40-150 lens
  • Nikon Action EX 7x50 binoculars
  • HDD camcorder (haven't got one yet, but would like a new bag to have room for one for when I get one...)
  • Spare batteries, memory cards, etc.
  • Side pockets for drinks
  • Centre-line (vertical) attachment system for a tripod
  • Separate compartment for a nice sandwich & a Starbar (the best bar)
  • Separate compartment for a 17" laptop
  • Shoulder straps that will accommodate the kind of straps I'm talking about for clipping the camera onto.


The Adventure 9 seems ideal but for the lack of the centre-line vertical tripod attachment.
I use an Adventure 9 and have been generally pleased with it but have now just about reached capacity (with 1 x E-5 + 9-18, 14-54 50-200 + flash). With regards to your list the main part of the bag will fit the body and 3 lenses but you may find you will need to have one of the shorter lenses fitted rather than the 70-300 (with a 14-54mm on my body I have about another inch free space in length, there is no way the 50-200 fits when attached to the body. There is also sufficient space in the 'lid' stowage for your memory cards and other small accessories. The top pocket will take your food and a small set of binos but there is not a great deal of space. I'm reasonably full with a couple of filter pouches and lens hoods. I think it would need to be a pretty small camcorder to fit in with the binos.
In 'the field' I use the laptop stowage for waterproof trousers but it takes a 15" laptop if necessary.
The tripod attachment is a problem as you realise. It is possible to fit Tamrac straps to the bottom of the bag to hang the tripod on but I have not found them very convenient or secure.
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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

Stoates:

Great to hear first-hand views on the Adventure 9 (henceforth referred to as "A9", because "Adventure 9" takes too long to ty- oh...).

The way I load my A6 is: in the bottom - the E-410 body with either 14-42 or 40-150 fitted and the other stored, and a JVC mini-DV camcorder. I put the binoculars in the top compartment, leaving little space for a bar.

Two of my mates have HDD camcorders that are significantly smaller than an E-series body.

Sounds like the A9 might not fulfill my needs. I guess I could sacrifice the tripod attachment, or make do with the A9's underslung solution, but the drinks pouches are pretty useful if you're away from shop/car/home for a while.

Looking like the Evolution 9 (henceforth "E9") might be the one. At 163 from fotosense, it's a lot dearer than I'd planned to spend (100 (85-ish) max). I wonder if the E8 (108) might accommodate my 17" laptop? Just have to work out a drink-holder solution. Oh, wait - the straps on the Evolutions don't look to me like they'll accept either the Tamrac camera strap links (need D-rings), nor the Op/Tech ones (only fit up to 1" wide webbing). Dang. Hope I'm wrong.

Maybe I should just abandon the notion that I can fit all my camera gear & binos in one compartment and food, etc. in another, and consider another option?

I'm pretty sure the way forward for me is to use clip-on straps for both camera & binos - binos on longer straps/lower attachment points, camera on shorter straps/higher attachment points. Back to surfin... Should really be writing a report, but I need to purge this first...

Smartwombat:

Hadn't thought about the stretchiness of a neoprene strap - that bouncy aspect would annoy me too, but as I'm almost certainly going to go for straps to clip onto rucksack straps, it won't be an issue for me. Ever make it over to Skerries for the races in July or September?


Thanks for the replies folks - useful opinions & comments aplenty.

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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

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Once you've used one of these, you'll never go back..... after getting rid of the D-SLR I made a mini version for my pen out of 20mm webbing I missed it so much .
That looks far safer than using just one of the camera lugs.
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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

I also have an adventure 9 and have found it very good, I use it as my main bag when traveling and whilst on city breaks etc. If fact any trip that is not exclusively photography related (for these I use either a Lowepro computrekker or a stealth reporter).

I have found I can fix a lightweight tripod to the side by inserting two of the legs into the mesh side pocket and clipping the head to the grab handle at the top with either a small karibiner or a short strap.
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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

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Once you've used one of these, you'll never go back..... after getting rid of the D-SLR I made a mini version for my pen out of 20mm webbing I missed it so much .
Although I have & use this as mentioned earlier (the previous version), I decided to get another because of the curved shape of the 2nd Edition going over the should which should sit better than the straight previous version, so on checking, I bought it from this supplier with 100% rating. The price is about half what I paid for the first one (the Australian $ wasn't worth as much then).
Thanks for highlighting this one.
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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

I did think that that could be an option with a tripod.

The more I look, the more I seem to find that the A9 is possibly the closest I'm going to get to what I want.

The Evolution range have no drink pouches, and can't take MAS accessories. The Expedition range are too small to take my 17" laptop, unless I got one of the bigger ones - too expensive, and way more room than I need, and no separate compartment for non-photo gear.

Still open to other brands, except Lowepro, Manfrotto, National Geographic - all immorally expensive for what they are.

The binoculars would continue to be stored in the top compartment (of an A9) - when they come out to spend the day clipped to the front of the A9 straps, my grub-a-dub-dub, keys, etc. can go in there instead.

I'm sure I could fit the E-620 body (with grip attached), 70-300, 14-42, 40-150, & HDD camcorder in the bottom compartment, perhaps with no lens attached to the body, to allow more flexible arrangement.

Can't find an A9 in UK in the camouflage colour - not to everyone's taste, Im sure, but my foul-weather gear is green & black, so I'd look just awesome if I could get an A9 in camo.

Off now to have a look to see if there's a Tamrac SAS doofer to take my phone...


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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

Tamrac list the internal dimensions of the A9 as 29cm wide x 22cm tall x 14cm deep.

The 14-42 & 40-150 are both 6.5cm wide, the 70-300 is 8cm wide, the Panasonic HDC SD80 (as an example of the size of camcorder I might get) is 6.3cm wide. That's 20.8cm - width is ok.

The E-620 is 5.9cm deep (excluding eye-piece and flash overhang). If I left the 70-300 (127mm x 80mm) attached, the overall length will be 18.6cm. Height is ok.

The E-620 is 9.6cm high. Add 4cm for the grip at the bottom = 13.6cm. Depth is ok.

I reckon my stuff will fit comfortably in an A9. I just mocked up a scale pic to see how it'd fit and there's actually space left over, even taking into account the 1cm or so of the padding sections and padded sidewalls.

Off now to find the cheapest A9...


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Re: Could You / Would You Wear A DSLR With Battery Grip & 70-300mm Round Your Neck All Day?

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I can now quickly choose and convert any of my cameras to any of the following options:
- Hand held with grip strap
- Standard neoprene neck strap
- Cross body sling strap
- Attached to the shoulder straps on a camera backpack
- Double camera sling strap
I like the idea of having various options.

I had a look around the Op/Tech site, and have identified a few products that could give me similar options to those you mention, jchallen.

This may be nerdy, but I'm a big fan of lists to get everything in order in my head:
Can anyone see any flaws/problems with this?

Backpack Set-Up:


Neck Strap Set-Up:


I might look at some double sling-type arrangement in the future, if I feel the need, but for now, I think those two should have me covered.


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