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Starkly dead tree



At inland edge of Sefton coast dunes this tree stood out. It was one of many trees that seem to have drowned in the sand.
It is not as sharp as it should be but do you think it worth returning to rework and if so how ?
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Re: Starkly dead tree

Not claiming to be an expert but........

Background is a little complicated IMHO.

A different viewpoint might work better, if its available...........
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Re: Starkly dead tree

From where you were standing, what was the field of view from the other side of the tree?
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From where you were standing, what was the field of view from the other side of the tree?
Sand dune with grass, scrubby trees - some alive, sand dunes and sky. Not a cohesive composition potential.
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Not claiming to be an expert but........

Background is a little complicated IMHO.

A different viewpoint might work better, if its available...........
Aha. The background was "difficult", and I share your opinion.
I was halfway up a grassy sand dune and getting a better angle was not an option, at least with the lens I had.
I think I need to try again.
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Not claiming to be an expert but........

Background is a little complicated IMHO.

A different viewpoint might work better, if its available...........
Aha. The background was "difficult", and I share your opinion.
I was halfway up a grassy sand dune and getting a better angle was not an option, at least with the lens I had.
I think I need to try again.
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Re: Starkly dead tree

It certainly is an interesting tree. The background might be a little too close, but it strikes me as a candidate for painting with light at night.
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Re: Starkly dead tree

I like the background although I may look at darkening it a bit. Perhaps a touch of fill in flash to allow a shorter exposure would do the trick.
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I like the background although I may look at darkening it a bit. Perhaps a touch of fill in flash to allow a shorter exposure would do the trick.
I take your point but it would need a mighty powerful flash to illuminate the dead tree and there could be spill over onto the background.
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It certainly is an interesting tree. The background might be a little too close, but it strikes me as a candidate for painting with light at night.
Thanks for an idea that had not occurred to me.
Will have to learn how to keep the shutter open for a few minutes while I scramble from camera to tree and back again.
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Re: Starkly dead tree

This needs different lighting where the tree is strongly lit and shadows and background are darkened then expose for the tree
This also seems a bit soft on the dead tree where did you focus?

Here is a clumsy mono edit

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This needs different lighting where the tree is strongly lit and shadows and background are darkened then expose for the tree
This also seems a bit soft on the dead tree where did you focus?

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Not my shot 2017-21 by Alf Branch, on Flickr
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I accepted at the beginning that there is a sharpness problem. I intended to focus on the tree but evidently I did not. Another reason to go back.
Have to say I am not keen on the mono. The black hole in the middle background is too stark for my taste and somehow the dead trees to the sides seem more pronounced than in my version and take my attention from the centre tree. It's all a matter of taste I think.
I spent years in my darkroom printing monochrome and I now so much enjoy the freedom in Lightroom to easily edit colour that I seldom revert to monochrome unless I can see a good reason to do so.
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I accepted at the beginning that there is a sharpness problem. I intended to focus on the tree but evidently I did not. Another reason to go back.
Have to say I am not keen on the mono. The black hole in the middle background is too stark for my taste and somehow the dead trees to the sides seem more pronounced than in my version and take my attention from the centre tree. It's all a matter of taste I think.
I spent years in my darkroom printing monochrome and I now so much enjoy the freedom in Lightroom to easily edit colour that I seldom revert to monochrome unless I can see a good reason to do so.
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I said it was clumsy edit so accept that it is not the best that could be produced but it was not a great start point so I did not give it my best efforts.
As a long time printer I am sure you work out to sort this I will leave you to it.
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Re: Starkly dead tree

I think Alfbranch has made the photo work well...............

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I said it was clumsy edit so accept that it is not the best that could be produced but it was not a great start point so I did not give it my best efforts.
As a long time printer I am sure you work out to sort this I will leave you to it.
OK. Hardly worth the effort then.
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