Olympus UK E-System User Group
Olympus UK E-System User Group

Join our unique resource for Olympus Four Thirds E-System DSLR and Pen and OM-D Micro Four Thirds photographers. Show your images via our free e-group photo gallery. Please read the e-group.uk.net forum terms and conditions before posting for the first time. Above all, welcome!


Go Back   Olympus UK E-System User Group > Show your photos > Looking for improvement

Looking for improvement This is the e-group critique board. If you post a picture here it will be assumed that you are looking for comprehensive technical feedback - both good and bad, but always respectful. Only post pictures here if you can deal with potentially negative constructive criticism. Anyone is qualified to comment and post feedback, and everyone is encouraged to do so. NB: "Looking for Improvement" is the place to post any pictures you would like advice on improving, no matter how bad you might think they are.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 9th May 2017
Zuiko's Avatar
Zuiko Zuiko is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dunmow, Essex
Posts: 22,066
Thanks: 1,984
Thanked 3,151 Times in 2,459 Posts
Likes: 3,385
Liked 4,455 Times in 2,116 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by David M View Post
The image works, why does it matter if it meets some people's definition of street?

The colour version for me.
You're right, David, it doesn't really matter - but I still find it an interesting topic to debate.
__________________
John

"A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 9th May 2017
Zuiko's Avatar
Zuiko Zuiko is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dunmow, Essex
Posts: 22,066
Thanks: 1,984
Thanked 3,151 Times in 2,459 Posts
Likes: 3,385
Liked 4,455 Times in 2,116 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phill D View Post
I really like this image John, in fact I like both of them. What I mean is that like you I too had trouble deciding which portrayal of the scene I liked best. My take is that the colour one emphasises the layers of the three groups and therefore has a more 3D feel. In the B&W one then the front group of 3 stands out more and the others just feel more like general background. A complete load of tosh I'm sure but just what I felt as I looked at the images. Overall the scene makes me smile and if you saw that scene unfolding in your mind before you took the picture and then deliberately captured it that's awesome in my book. I'd frame them both and put them in your next exhibition.
Thanks Phill, I think the 3D effect is a combination of the receding tones in the fog and a fairly long focal length (169mm, 338mm equivalent). I cannot claim to have anticipated the scene, I was playing around with my 70-300mm lens in the fog and happened to be concentrating on this group when they spontaneously formed these positions. The father looked back to his wife (just out of frame) and I reacted without any planning or forethought.
__________________
John

"A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 9th May 2017
Ricoh Ricoh is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 5,792
Thanks: 592
Thanked 421 Times in 373 Posts
Likes: 787
Liked 1,919 Times in 1,143 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Whilst we're discussing street photography and/or photojournalism here's an interesting article on the ethics: http://petapixel.us3.list-manage1.co...e&e=b8a5b56ba0

Many of us would not go out hunting for human suffering, but what would you do if something awful happened in front of your nose, in your town or city. Assuming you had a camera with you (as should be the case; always wear your camera) would you capture the event, or would put the thing down and help. Of course the significance of the photographic record is huge - did Napalm Girl help rid us of the dreadful weapon? It's an interesting train of thought - worth reading.
__________________
Steve

on flickr
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 9th May 2017
shenstone's Avatar
shenstone shenstone is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 3,372
Thanks: 166
Thanked 318 Times in 242 Posts
Likes: 408
Liked 506 Times in 280 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

To me the beach is just one big sandy street. Its about outdoor places with people, and event, not just a location

Like many I prefer colour, and I like your clarified processed version over the original but maybe I would suggest to de-saturate or similar the person walking away in the red jacket leaving just the focussed people with the red focus

Regards
Andy
__________________
My Kit (OK I'm a hoarder...)
4/3 E500, E510, E30 + 35macro, 50macro, 7-14, 11-22, 14-45 (x2), 14-54, 40-150 (both types), 50-200, 70-300, 50-500,
m 4/3 EM1MkII + 60 macro, 12-100 Pro
FL20, FL36 x2 , FL50, cactus slaves etc.
The Boss (Mrs Shenstone) E620, EM10-II, 14-41Ez, 40-150R, 9 cap and whatever she can nick from me when she wants it

My places
http://www.shenstone.me.uk
http://landroverkaty.blogspot.com/
https://vimeo.com/shenstone
http://cardiffnaturalists.org.uk/
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Zuiko (9th May 2017)
  #20  
Old 9th May 2017
Zuiko's Avatar
Zuiko Zuiko is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dunmow, Essex
Posts: 22,066
Thanks: 1,984
Thanked 3,151 Times in 2,459 Posts
Likes: 3,385
Liked 4,455 Times in 2,116 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by shenstone View Post
To me the beach is just one big sandy street. Its about outdoor places with people, and event, not just a location

Like many I prefer colour, and I like your clarified processed version over the original but maybe I would suggest to de-saturate or similar the person walking away in the red jacket leaving just the focussed people with the red focus

Regards
Andy
Thanks Andy. Yes, I think that would work.
__________________
John

"A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 9th May 2017
drmarkf's Avatar
drmarkf drmarkf is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 5,573
Thanks: 354
Thanked 495 Times in 412 Posts
Likes: 2,173
Liked 1,260 Times in 721 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuiko View Post
I love Martin Parr's work but Harry Callahan is new to me. Thanks for the link, I will explore further!
I love a lot of Callahan's work. For me he sits as a successor to Paul Strand, with a mixture of 'street' images (for want of better word), semi abstract patterns, and a prolonged series of lovely, tender images of his wife.
__________________
Regards,
Mark

------------------------------
http://www.microcontrast.com
Too much Oly gear.
Panasonic 12-32, 12-35, 15. Laowa 7.5.
Assorted legacy lenses, plus a Fuji X70 & a Sony A7S.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Zuiko (9th May 2017)
  #22  
Old 9th May 2017
OM USer's Avatar
OM USer OM USer is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: London
Posts: 12,040
Thanks: 2,372
Thanked 1,494 Times in 1,422 Posts
Likes: 6,178
Liked 1,405 Times in 896 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by OM USer View Post
I tried cloning out the 2 background groups (see comment above), but I also tried turning these 2 groups into a straightforward greyscale so that they were not so intrusive. I liked this last version the best and would recommend you try it yourself (or I could post my version).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuiko View Post
I'd love to see your processed version; here is the unedited raw file (only resized and converted to JPEG for the forum) for comparison....
I liked the processing you did to lighten and strengthen the image so here is my quick and dirty take to grey scale the background groups based on that.


Based on an image by Zuiko.
__________________
Cameras: E-M5, E-PM2, OM40, OM4Ti
Lenses (M.Zuiko Digital): 7-14mm/F2.8, 12-40mm/F2.8, 40-150mm/F2.8+TC1.4x, 12-50mm/F3.5-6.3, 14-42mm/F3.5-5.6 EZ, M.ZD 40-150 F4-5.6 R, 75-300mm/F4.8-6.7 Mk1, 12mm/F2, 17mm/F1.8
Lenses (OM Zuiko): 50mm/F1.2, 24mm/F2, 35mm/F2.8 shift
Lenses (OM Fit): Vivitar Series II 28-105mm/F2.8-3.8, Sigma 21-35mm/F3.4-4.2, Sigma 35-70mm/F2.8-4, Sigma 75-200mm/F2.8-3.5, Vivitar Series II 100-500mm/F5.6-8.0, Centon 500mm/F8 Mirror
Learn something new every day
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to OM USer For This Useful Post:
Zuiko (9th May 2017)
The Following User Liked This Post:
Zuiko (9th May 2017)
  #23  
Old 9th May 2017
Crazy Dave Crazy Dave is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Surrey
Posts: 657
Thanks: 57
Thanked 77 Times in 60 Posts
Likes: 179
Liked 251 Times in 128 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

I don't think that anyone has mentioned the little girl, yet she is the star of the show. She has a confidence and independence of spirit that just radiates. One of so many elements that make this rather special.

David
__________________
The beauty of not planning is that failure comes as a complete surprise and is not preceded by periods of anxiety
Reply With Quote
The Following Users Liked This Post:
OM USer (9th May 2017), Zuiko (9th May 2017)
  #24  
Old 9th May 2017
Zuiko's Avatar
Zuiko Zuiko is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dunmow, Essex
Posts: 22,066
Thanks: 1,984
Thanked 3,151 Times in 2,459 Posts
Likes: 3,385
Liked 4,455 Times in 2,116 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by OM USer View Post
I liked the processing you did to lighten and strengthen the image so here is my quick and dirty take to grey scale the background groups based on that.


Based on an image by Zuiko.
Ah yes, I like what you have done. By losing the red jacket in the middle group it no longer competes with the main subjects but still provides a sense of depth. This is a great example of how "Looking for Improvement" can provide suggestions that you have not previously considered.
__________________
John

"A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Zuiko For This Useful Post:
OM USer (10th May 2017)
  #25  
Old 9th May 2017
David M's Avatar
David M David M is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: A Brit now living in Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 6,605
Thanks: 39
Thanked 678 Times in 640 Posts
Likes: 254
Liked 1,313 Times in 792 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuiko View Post
You're right, David, it doesn't really matter - but I still find it an interesting topic to debate.
I think the more interesting debate is why some people prefer the colour version while others prefer the mono version.
__________________
It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

David M's Photoblog or follow me on Instagram.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 9th May 2017
Zuiko's Avatar
Zuiko Zuiko is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dunmow, Essex
Posts: 22,066
Thanks: 1,984
Thanked 3,151 Times in 2,459 Posts
Likes: 3,385
Liked 4,455 Times in 2,116 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by David M View Post
I think the more interesting debate is why some people prefer the colour version while others prefer the mono version.
You have a point - and personally I'm edging towards the colour version, but with the red jacket in the middle group of people desaturated.
__________________
John

"A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 9th May 2017
maccabeej maccabeej is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Orpington
Posts: 833
Thanks: 101
Thanked 111 Times in 95 Posts
Likes: 3
Liked 142 Times in 89 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

I have to say I disagree about the red jacket which I feel balances the red object in the dog walker's hand without (because of recession) being too distracting.
__________________
Jim
www.jim-mccabe.co.uk
http://www.jimmccabephotography.blogspot.com
(My Travels in Aus & NZ)
Reply With Quote
The Following Users Liked This Post:
Crazy Dave (10th May 2017), Zuiko (10th May 2017)
  #28  
Old 9th May 2017
David M's Avatar
David M David M is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: A Brit now living in Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 6,605
Thanks: 39
Thanked 678 Times in 640 Posts
Likes: 254
Liked 1,313 Times in 792 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by maccabeej View Post
I have to say I disagree about the red jacket which I feel balances the red object in the dog walker's hand without (because of recession) being too distracting.
I tend to agree but wonder how it would work with the distant figures lightened a little as if they were more obscured by the mist. The colour would still be there but lighter.
__________________
It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

David M's Photoblog or follow me on Instagram.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Zuiko (10th May 2017)
  #29  
Old 9th May 2017
Ricoh Ricoh is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 5,792
Thanks: 592
Thanked 421 Times in 373 Posts
Likes: 787
Liked 1,919 Times in 1,143 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

I have to agree, the original with three patches of red forms a nice compositional triangle.

I'm not a big fan of Photoshopping (correction: I find pixel manipulation the curse of the devil), and as soon as it's done, integrity is lost.
__________________
Steve

on flickr
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Zuiko (10th May 2017)
  #30  
Old 9th May 2017
Wee man's Avatar
Wee man Wee man is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Newcastle Co. Down N. Ireland
Posts: 7,996
Thanks: 2,392
Thanked 1,152 Times in 1,027 Posts
Likes: 281
Liked 1,232 Times in 802 Posts
Re: Is it street or something else, and is it any good?

Can I throw in a curve ball? I have red/green colour blindness and until it was mentioned I was not aware of a red jacket or a colour with the crisp packet!
I still prefer the B&W version but am I seeing a differing version to the rest of you?

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
__________________
Ed

What if the Hokey Cokey is what its all about?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Official Street Thread - post your street pictures here! Ricoh Foto Fair 67 13th September 2016 07:07 PM
Street andym Foto Fair 4 29th December 2013 02:11 PM
On the street Iansky Foto Fair 9 24th December 2013 10:05 AM
Street... brianvickers Foto Fair 7 11th September 2012 11:44 PM
Good job the gear is good! E-P1 fan The lounge 23 9th December 2011 12:20 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:32 AM.


The Write Technology Ltd, 2007-2019, All rights reservedAd Management plugin by RedTyger