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Re: Age-Related Difficulties

Having read some of the more obviously age related conditions my headaches don't seem so bad.
No point worrying about all these things, my old mum survived the Blitz then breast cancer in her 70's and two pulmonary embolism's in her 80's
Went out on her daily shopping trip four years ago at age 88, car hit her as she crossed the road and that was game over.
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Having read some of the more obviously age related conditions my headaches don't seem so bad.
No point worrying about all these things, my old mum survived the Blitz then breast cancer in her 70's and two pulmonary embolism's in her 80's
Went out on her daily shopping trip four years ago at age 88, car hit her as she crossed the road and that was game over.
As dreadful as that must have been for everyone, I think I’d rather go like that (suddenly) than suffer years of increasing debility and probably eventual dementia. There seems to be too much effort going in to prolonging life with little or no thought to quality of life.
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As dreadful as that must have been for everyone, I think I’d rather go like that (suddenly) than suffer years of increasing debility and probably eventual dementia. There seems to be too much effort going in to prolonging life with little or no thought to quality of life.
Totally agree, think my Mum felt the same too. She was beginning to get forgetful and hated the thought of care homes, we did for her too.
Very weird though, her house was like stepping aboard the Marie Celeste
Everything just left because she only expected to be out for about an hour.


Happened at the end of my road (ma lived about half a mile away) someone came and knocked to tell us.
It was caught on CCTV from a nearby car park camera, bit grim watching the recording.
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Jim, Sorry to hear that. A little bit of good news is that you have the form for which stem cells therapy has been successful in trials.
Thanks Harold.

I expect that I'll be 'brown bread' by the time the procedure gets approved, besides I don't think that it's progressed to a stage where it would warrant it. It's a nuisance, though - it's in my best/dominant eye, the one that I used to look down a telescope or microscope, and camera viewfinder. I also used it with a watchmakers' eyeglass. I tried the left eye, but the muscles in that side won't hold one in!

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That would be a real shame, Nigel. I really enjoyed participating in your excellent recent thread on medium format film and I would welcome more like that. I'm hoping that by containing the politics within one thread it will be easy to avoid. Did you see the recent TV documentary on Don McCullin, where he was walking around with a Mamiya RZ67 tucked under his arm for street shots!
Thank you for your kind comments John.

On reflection I have decided that it would be better all round to continue to contribute, but to steer clear of contentious subjects for the time being.

It was actually this thread that prompted me to return in the hope that I might be able to help fellow members with what I have learned over the past few years. This may be a long one but here goes:

Amlodipine.

I was first diagnosed with 'slightly raised blood pressure' in my early fifties, and was given the usual advice about losing weight, taking more exercise and reducing sodium intake.

I was desperately keen to avoid blood pressure medication as my late father had suffered unpleasant side effects, admittedly with much earlier drugs, but I had also heard scare stories from others. My GP also advised that once you start BP medication it is very, very unlikely that you will ever be able come off of it. I dislike the idea of being reliant on any kind of medication so I had plenty of motivation put off the inevitable.

I like to think that I eat a well balanced diet, but perhaps rather to much of it so I set about making the necessary changes. The only problem that I did suffer with was recurring severe headaches which seemed to be related to certain foods and drinks including many wines, beers, spirits, some cheeses and all chocolate. I got along well enough by cutting these out of my diet for about five years until I needed to go into hospital to have a 'troublesome' tooth removed. This was a molar which had never properly surfaced and which my Dentist was unwilling to remove at his surgery. I also managed to persuade the surgeon to remove a large cyst from my scalp at the same time.

I went for the pre-admission assessment and everything was fine apart from the 'slightly raised blood pressure' rearing its ugly head again but the Nurse did not expect this to be a problem.

Come admission morning I was checked over again, prepared for surgery and wheeled down to the dungeons in the hospital basement where I somehow enjoyed the surgeon's and anaesthetist's 'gallows humour' whilst they checked me over yet again, only to be told that my blood pressure was now dangerously high and that if they were to operate there was a very good chance that I would not make it.

I was kept in for a day under observation and my BP checked regularly. In fact my right arm was became extremely sore because my BP was so high that the cuff thingy had to be inflated so hard that it was uncomfortably tight. As you might imagine this focused my mind somewhat, and I was discharged on the strict instructions not to do anything strenuous and to make an urgent appointment with my GP, which I did.

I was initially prescribed 10 mg of Amlodipine per day which reduced my BP sufficiently and miraculously also stopped my headaches. Indeed, I have rarely had a headache since starting Amlodipine around seven years ago.

The only noticeable side effect has been some swelling of my lower legs and feet (Peripheral Oedema) during the day. I was warned about this by the Pharmacist who described it as 'pudding feet'. However, this is worse if I am inactive, including spending too much time on the computer putting the world to rights! I also suspect that some batches of the medicine are better than others but I cannot prove this. Regular gentle exercise such was walking definitely helps to reduce this problem, but there are other side effects that I will come to later.

I have also found that taking Amlodipine at night reduces the daytime swelling slightly. In fact I am taking part in a study organised by UK BioBank where those in the Control Group take their BP medication in the morning whilst we Guinea Pigs take them after 6.00 pm.

I also learned that short-term vigorous exercise such as running a few hundred metres, a mile or so sprint on my bicycle or racing the family to the other end of the swimming pool is more beneficial than walking or jogging long distances, and by doing these I was able to get the dose reduced to 5 mg daily.

My GP did try me on 5 mg of Lisinopril in an effort to avoid the problems of Peripheral Oedema, but within a day or two my headaches had returned and I felt generally unwell; so I went back to Amlodipine and haven't used anything else since.

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Other than the problems of Peripheral Oedema above I have felt much better in myself on Amlodipine than for some time. However, there is a potential conflict if Grapefruit, certain oranges (including some orange juices) and some other citrus fruits are eaten when taking Amlodipine as these somehow affect the way that the body disposes of the drug, resulting in a form of overdose and low blood pressure. Having suffered this once or twice I now dilute all orange juice by 50% which tastes much better and contains only half the sugar. I also avoid Grapefruit except in occasional very small amounts.

To summarise, whilst Amlodipine has some unpleasant side effects it is generally well tolerated and is much better and safer than the risks of avoiding blood pressure medications altogether. However, with a balanced healthy diet, spasmodic vigorous exercise and losing a bit of weight it is possible to reduce dosage and side effects.

Tamsulosin:

I was first diagnosed with a 'high PSA' (~ 15) about four years ago. This was found only belatedly as the first time I went to the GP I was seen by an Asian lady who was clearly uncomfortable examining men, and refused to do so until another member of staff could be present. She said that 'nothing was wrong' and gave me a ticking off for wasting her time. She refused a PSA test on the grounds that I 'had wasted enough of her time already'.

I have to say this is about the only negative experience of our local GP surgery, but it did put me off going back for far too long.

When I finally plucked up the courage to return I was prescribed 400 mg Tamsulosin daily and was referred for a rectal biopsy. That was negative but my PSA remained stubbornly high so I was sent for an MRI scan and then a second biopsy to look at 'an area of interest'. This too was negative.

Tamsulosin works by relaxing the prostate and other organs in the body. One of the interesting side effects is also to reduce blood pressure.

Anyhow, my PSA was still climbing and had reached over 20 so I was sent for a 'Template Biopsy' which I was told is much more comprehensive than the rectal biopsies. This was carried out at the Freeman in Newcastle which I must say was excellent.

The biopsy results were negative, but my PSA continued to climb and had reached around 24. I was also suffering repeated infections which were causing problems mainly at night, and resulted in being put on a catheter for a couple of weeks. This was cleared up with antibiotics but flared up again soon afterwards.

The Specialist said that my prostate was very enlarged, (apparently PSA is related to prostate size as much as anything else), and that this along with 'being poked about far too often' was causing urinary infections.

Apparently prostate infections (prostatitis) are quite difficult to diagnose, and are often missed with the usual 'Litmus Stick' test.

I was advised to drink plenty of water, and most importantly, to 'avoid keeping it in' as stale urine is one of the most common causes of infection. This was valuable advise as I had often suffered problems after travelling, when of course 'keeping it in' is often difficult to avoid.

I was also told to avoid constipation because, as the Nurse explained, 'there isn't much space down there, so anything you can do to help'.

Finasteride:

I was finally put on Finasteride, which I understand is a hormonal treatment which works by shrinking the prostate. I had feared side effects but it seems the only side effect I have suffered is a slight reversal of 'male pattern baldness' for which it is prescribed at a lower dose!

For Jim's benefit this is a long-term treatment which doesn't provide maximum benefit for least least three months, so I think it is unlikely that you will 'get used to it' or need a higher dose. From my experience if the medication isn't working it is probably something that you are doing or not doing. As I have explained above there are quite a few things that you can and should do to help yourself, which probably includes not stressing unnecessarily about things!

The only remaining problem is that the Peripheral Oedema caused by Amlodipine means that I have to get up more often during the night than I would like to; but avoiding too many drinks after about nine or ten O'clock helps a great deal.

I am obviously not a medic, but I do hope that some of the information above will be of help.
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Re: Age-Related Difficulties

I’m still engrossed in reading Nigel’s post above but something in there reminded me of something. If you’re going to get medication for anything long term like that, do it before you claim a private pension as you will get a better monthly amount. When I took mine the IFA kept asking about medication and I truthfully replied I was on none, he went on to suggest I might like to delay taking my pension until such time as I had visited a doctor. Like Nigel I didn’t want to get started on anything as I’d probably never come off it again, but it certainly made me think if it was going to improve my private pension.
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On reflection I have decided that it would be better all round to continue to contribute, but to steer clear of contentious subjects for the time being.

It was actually this thread that prompted me to return in the hope that I might be able to help fellow members with what I have learned over the past few years.
I hoped that a mutually supportive thread might be a good therapy

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Come admission morning I was checked over again, prepared for surgery and wheeled down to the dungeons in the hospital basement where I somehow enjoyed the surgeon's and anaesthetist's 'gallows humour' whilst they checked me over yet again, only to be told that my blood pressure was now dangerously high and that if they were to operate there was a very good chance that I would not make it.
That's bedside manner!

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I would recommend anyone to go for a 'well man/woman' checkup.

I had one some years ago when I was working. The nurse did a test then said "I think the machines playing up" and did the test again. She then told me that everything was fine .... except for one test and she told me to see a doctor sooner than later because my cholesterol level was "a bit high".

I went to see my doctor who then did a proper and full test via the hospital. My final cholesterol result was .... 13.5 !! He wrote the prescription for tablets and, while I was there, I said "Is that why I feel the cold a lot". More tests were done and it was found that my thyroid was pretty much duff. More tablets (free prescriptions for everything when on hormone replacement therapy for thyroid) to take but what the heck. I just keep taking the tablets and all is fine.

Yes guys, go for that checkup, it really is worth it in the long run. If they find something then it's caught, hopefully, in good time. If all is good then it's a load off your mind.
Great advice Keith. When I worked in the community in Hampstead, we ran an evening well men’s clinic attached to a GP surgery in Swiss Cottage, the idea was to attract people in after work. In addition to what you experienced, we offered a testisticular cancer check and anything related to mens problems.

Not everyone can talk about health so easily. For some it is private or it is a taboo subject. Those affected might feel there is a stigma attached to admitting there could be anything wrong.

When I was a young man, if I dared mention taking a day off from work due to sickness, my Mother used to get onto me “ there is nothing wrong with you, you’ll get my big toe up .........if you don’t get into work”
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Re: Age-Related Difficulties

It seems that Harvard have put down the decreasing incidence of dementia to reduction in smoking and drinking.

My mother, who never smoked and never drank alcohol, died of dementia. My father, who drank occasionally but smoked almost continuously did not.

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‘Decreasing incidence’ ? Really? It seems to be on the increase, or at least its bieng recorded more because the various NHS depts are actively looking for it. Part must be down to people living longer and developing the symptoms.
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Missing, presumed dead.

I broke a tooth this week and wanted an appointment at a dentist I had registered with. I don't believe in that nice little earner called "checkups" so I had only registered because I had a clicking jaw issue and I had to be referred to a hospital specialist by a dentist. Of course, they managed to find a filling which needed replacing.

Anyway, that was in 2012. Having not attended since, I had been de-registered. So, for NHS treatment, I have to re-register, taking my NHS number and bus pass, passport, or whatever. (I think they meant to include credit card, as this ins unlikely to be totally free). The first appointment for a "new" NHS patient is on 1 April! Am am not in paint, so no hurry.

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Re: Age-Related Difficulties

Similar thing here, appointments take around 3-4 weeks although if you have an urgent issue they will usually try to get you in that same day. Doctors are even worse but again, being assertive with the Nazi manning the phone usually results in sense being seen.
We’ve just signed my mother up for a new dentist (needs wheelchair access and so forth) so we’ll see how that pans out, they want her in for a check up in the coming weeks so betting a payment will be necessary. Despite supposedly being NHS they still manage to charge an astronomical hourly rate, gotta pay for that expensive 2nd house refurb somehow!
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...being assertive with the Nazi manning the phone usually results in sense being seen.
Some years ago when our son was four or five years old he came down with a nasty bout of Norovirus. We all caught it and got over it within a couple of days but for some reason our son didn't and seemed to be weakening to the point that we were becoming worried.

I phoned the surgery to request a home visit (thereby avoiding our son straying too far from the lavatory) but this was refused on the grounds that only the elderly were entitled to home visits and that this was only possible 'in life or death situations'. I was then offered an appointment the next week which was clearly unacceptable so I told the Stazi Gatekeeper that we would come along in a few minutes when they would see us.

I drove to short distance to the surgery and walked in with my son over my shoulder like something you might see in a third-world country (he was too weak to walk) whereupon I was shown straight through to one of the senior partners! He was genuinely concerned about our son's condition and diagnosed dehydration. We were given some rehydration salts and medicine to help deal with the stomach problem and given instructions to go straight to A&E if the condition worsened or did not improve within the day. The GP even phoned that evening to make sure that everything was OK so I suspect the Satzi Gatekeeper might have been 'offered training'.
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It would have been so much better if the Stazi Gatekeeper had actually contracted norovirus! Karma!
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It would have been so much better if the Stazi Gatekeeper had actually contracted norovirus! Karma!
That might actually have made her more cheerful but thankfully she has since retired or otherwise moved on.
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