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My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

Hi there, I was really happy to be approached by Olympus for the use of one of my photographs for their new monthly ad campaign. Before I could say yes and agree to the terms my photo was already taken, edited, and being used without credit for their benefit, now day 5 on their front page website.

Can anyone can offer me any advice here? Seems a little wrong to me as I should be benefiting from this and I have given no permission for the to take it, edit and not credit me.

You can see the photo which is on the Olympus impressions page.
http://www.olympus-impressions.com/en/about
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

Simply disgraceful behaviour.
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

Before we all go off at 90mph daggers drawn, lances lowered and senses switched off, would you mind if did a little checking on this - see if it is a mistake, deliberate or otherwise?

The people running this for us are a big social media agency with a project to bring more engagement and encourage more people to take part in sharing great images so it will be annoying if they have missed due process but perhaps it is only fair to see if we can get an explanation.

We would be mad to do this just to upset everyone. Why on earth do you think we would? I am afraid some of the attitudes on here make me seriously consider whether it is worth supporting the forum any more because believe it or not, we pay for this and I do not mind healthy debate or being told (politely) when we get things wrong but in proportion for goodness sake.

It winds me up when people jump in without stopping to think or giving us a chance to look into things.

Let's find out the facts and then discuss if necessary. If we/they have it wrong, we will deal with it. I have raised it with the agency and will look for a reply on Monday.


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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

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Before we all go off at 90mph daggers drawn, lances lowered and senses switched off, would you mind if did a little checking on this - see if it is a mistake, deliberate or otherwise?

The people running this for us are a big social media agency with a project to bring more engagement and encourage more people to take part in sharing great images so it will be annoying if they have missed due process but perhaps it is only fair to see if we can get an explanation.

We would be mad to do this just to upset everyone. Why on earth do you think we would? I am afraid some of the attitudes on here make me seriously consider whether it is worth supporting the forum any more because believe it or not, we pay for this and I do not mind healthy debate or being told (politely) when we get things wrong but in proportion for goodness sake.

It winds me up when people jump in without stopping to think or giving us a chance to look into things.

Let's find out the facts and then discuss if necessary. If we/they have it wrong, we will deal with it. I have raised it with the agency and will look for a reply on Monday.
Mark,

Hard as it probably is, please don't let this get to you.

I can assure you that your support, efforts and assistance are truly appreciated, it would be a sad day if you stopped supporting and contributing to this forum.

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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

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We would be mad to do this just to upset everyone. Why on earth do you think we would? I am afraid some of the attitudes on here make me seriously consider whether it is worth supporting the forum any more because believe it or not, we pay for this and I do not mind healthy debate or being told (politely) when we get things wrong but in proportion for goodness sake.

It winds me up when people jump in without stopping to think or giving us a chance to look into things
Steady on, threatening to close the forum because Olympus did something wrong is a little flippant, that would be like me threatening to seek legal action because of what happened.

I'm a regular contributor to Olympus, an advocate who has been featured in the Olympus magazine a few times so I'm not someone who wants to be on bad terms because of this. This matter of using my image before my terms were agreed is wrong, illegal and not respectful at all to me as a photographer.
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

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Steady on, threatening to close the forum because Olympus did something wrong is a little flippant, that would be like me threatening to seek legal action because of what happened.

I'm a regular contributor to Olympus, an advocate who has been featured in the Olympus magazine a few times so I'm not someone who wants to be on bad terms because of this. This matter of using my image before my terms were agreed is wrong, illegal and not respectful at all to me as a photographer.
I didn't interpret that part of Mark's post to be directed at you at all - re-inforced by both the post quoted and the specific wording of that sentence.
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

I think this thread has a danger of getting out of hand. However, as a Moderator, I am reluctant to close it without further consultation because, in my view, that would amount to censorship, and that's the last thing we want or need.

Mark's comments seem to have been misinterpreted by some of the relative newcomers to this forum who may not be aware just how it works. Mark simply stated that, if the personal sniping were to continue, he (corporately) may have to reconsider Olympus' financial contribution to the forum. He said absolutely nothing about "closing it down". What he would like is fair chance to investigate this matter. And depending on the speed of response of third parties, this may take a wee while.

In cases like this, as I think John (Zuiko) has already stated, individual grievances should be made as a direct approach via PM or email.
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

Indeed you did, John, and thank you.

I was primarily responding as Moderator to the suggestion that the thread be closed.
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

This is in fact blatant copyright infringement and they are required by law to ask your permission up front to use the image.

There has been a recent case in the USA where a photographers image from a hosting site was used by an agency, credited to one of their personnel not the copyright owner - he won $2 million dollars (last weeks AP magazine).

Unfortunately, many of the larger companies feel they are above the law and able to "lift and use" photographers photos without seeking their permission, this is not the case and you are well within your rights challenging them on this use especially if they did not credit you or state coyright is yours.

I would suggest that by their actions of asking your permission retrospectively, they are in principle admitting guilt.

Definately worth a letter to them for this infringement and I would ask them for a stylus 1 camera that is the prize they are offering for themed images used - they have already used yours so owe you a camera!

I have to add I am surprised, when Olympus wanted to use one of my images in their magazine they did in fact contact me first and I was happy to oblige.

Please post the results of your challenge so we can see if they have integrity.
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

Very poor on the part of Olympus. But what with the E-M1 and grip/MMF3 supply problems, perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised.

Where did they lift the image from?
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

how did Olympus get your image?
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

Thank you for the reply.

Its terrible really, before this month they asked if they could use the image. Of course being honoured and to receive publication on the front page is a great achievement etc so as we were talking still discussing the terms which I asked but then i found out they had already taken the image and put on the Olympus impressions website, edited, crop and taken the copyright signature from it.

They got in touch days later and told me they would credit me where ever this photo is used, and still nothing, no credit, nothing. I feel robbed.

Ill find the conversation so who ever is interested can see.
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

your description suggests this was before you posted it to this forum on your Birds of Prey post, so they saw it on your website and contacted you?
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

Subscribing to this, I want to know how it works out in the end.
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Re: My photo on front page of Olympus' website.

These are screenshots of the entire convo on OlympusUK fb page. They have just uploaded it on their social media website, still concerned about the front page on their website. Tell me what you think.

This is screen shots in order on convo excluding pics..
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