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Camera / Lens range as in distance...

I have always reckoned that the max range of a small bird photo is about 30 metres. After that the cropping reduces the IQ considerably. There are many factors involved I know, lens quality, camera quality, camera stability to nane a few. Thus as a wild bird photographer, trying to capture them in their natural habitat, I am often disappointed in what I achieve...


Oly em1 ii with Pany 100-400 at full blast

This photo was taken in good light, but at maybe 40-50 metres For example....

Maybe I expect too much
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

Nice capture - especially for that distance. Great crested grebe is a medium size / large bird as well. A dunlin or kingfisher or robin or finch at that distance would be even smaller. I guess a shot in summer when its plumage is brighter might look better.

Longer and longer focal lengths don't solve all the challenges do they. Some of the best wildlife shots seem to be gained by from laborious, time-consuming, patient stalking - gaining trust and getting close.
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

For reference, this a similar distance shot uncropped.



Yes Thanks Rob, of course getting nearer is not always an option. So its either big bucks, or be happy with what I got.............

This 2nd shot actually looks a lot better than the 1st!
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

I agree that the first shot looks 'over-cropped' but I think you could find a 'sweet spot' between it and the full frame.

I feel that bird photos can suffer from not showing the bird in context. Recently, a Red-necked Phalarope visited my local Farmoor Reservoir and from most of the shots that were taken, it could have been absolutely anywhere.
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

Wildlife is so inconsiderate.

I've used a 300, 400 and even a 600mm and have never achieved an acceptable result.

I've given up on trying, but would be interested to see if "digital scoping" gets anything better?
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

Tordon seems to manage pretty well. Mind you I've not seen him post for a while.
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

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Wildlife is so inconsiderate. .....
Not just wildlife - the atmosphere can play havoc with distant tele-shots as well, especially in hot weather, when heat-haze blurs everything.
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

I have seen some excellent digiscoped images recently, including flight shots. Quite a few people seem to be using m43 cameras, including the E-M1, which is probably easier and more successful than the compact camera which I used a few years ago. I have no desire to try it again, as a good Swarovski scope, stable tripod and m43 camera is a hefty and expensive proposition.

Some of the birders here, who are already carrying scopes, get quite good results by attaching their phones with adapters when required.

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..... of course getting nearer is not always an option. So its either big bucks, or be happy with what I got.............
I don't think it's anything to do with money. You've got a great setup there and it's 800mm equivalent. It's all down to distance. I try and stop myself taking distant birds now, but I still cull hundreds of photos after a day out!
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

Ringed Plover by Mark Johnson, on Flickr

Ringed Plover---range about 100 yards, on a tripod and remote release.

Quite good detail despite I think...............
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

That is the best way to get round distance - have a good sized flock of birds. One on its own cropped would not look much. Think you've got a couple of Dunlin in there too.
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

Crikey, your eyes are pretty good.

Well spotted. One on the right perhaps...
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Re: Camera / Lens range as in distance...

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One on the right perhaps...
I think there are 3 Dunlin on the right - marked in red below:

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