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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

Wait for the next "News worthy" incident at one of their events, then tell them you have excellent images, but they can't have them...
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

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I am going to play Devils Advocate and argue the case of your prospective employers

I own three systems - Canon FF, Four Thirds and micro FT (I can not speak for Nikon) - and all are lovely systems capable of taking excellent images but every one has the at least one specialist area and just for the record here is my suggestions for those areas

Canon - battery life, geo-tagging, image quality for very large prints, low light photography.
Four thirds - , close ups (better control of DOF), All lenses stabalised (even legacy ones), access to affordable very long lenses (600mm EFL or more)

mFT - as FT plus extreme portability

Looking at the job the OP has applied for I suspect that there will be very long days that end in filthy weather conditions where all the areas I have listed for the Canon could be life savers.


I know that John (Zuiko) is a much better photographer than me so I am not going to accept his implied challenge but equally I know that there are circumstances where I could fill the first duty of a professional "Come back with pictures" that he could not with an E3 or even current Oly kit

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Haha, I'm not much of a photographer now, Roger! At the time of my challenge I was , to be honest, bricking it in case someone with full frame responded with a low light challenge. To give myself the best possible chance I was prepared to hire from Ian an E-5 (marginal improvement) plus any pro lens that might be needed, but in the end there were no takers anyway. Whether I called their bluff or they were just too busy and couldn't be bothered I will never know, but at the time I took it as a moral victory!

Nowadays I would expect the E-M1 with the right lens to be perfectly capable for most sports, even in poor light.
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

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Haha, I'm not much of a photographer now, Roger! At the time of my challenge I was , to be honest, bricking it in case someone with full frame responded with a low light challenge. To give myself the best possible chance I was prepared to hire from Ian an E-5 (marginal improvement) plus any pro lens that might be needed, but in the end there were no takers anyway. Whether I called their bluff or they were just too busy and couldn't be bothered I will never know, but at the time I took it as a moral victory!

Nowadays I would expect the E-M1 with the right lens to be perfectly capable for most sports, even in poor light.
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I hope you are right 'cos I have kept my HG lenses hoping one day to pick up a discontinued E-M1 to use that as a second camera replacing the E5

Believe me it is not my intention to bad mouth Oly, and I think the mMF range are brilliant enthusiast's cameras but for a professional's all weather, all day, all light workhorse they are not quite there yet and the prospective employers was probably being kind in their suggestions. I do hope that the E-M1 II is the final turning point for Oly.
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

Highly amusing for those of us who learned to shot action in the days of manual focus and the highest speed film most editors would accept was Ektachrome 200.
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

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I hope you are right 'cos I have kept my HG lenses hoping one day to pick up a discontinued E-M1 to use that as a second camera replacing the E5

Believe me it is not my intention to bad mouth Oly, and I think the mMF range are brilliant enthusiast's cameras but for a professional's all weather, all day, all light workhorse they are not quite there yet and the prospective employers was probably being kind in their suggestions. I do hope that the E-M1 II is the final turning point for Oly.
You raise some valid points, Roger. I've very little experience myself of the E-M1 but I understand that it is more robust and weather resistant than the E-M5, which is poor in comparison to the E-3.

It's true that MFT will never match the latest generation full frame cameras for absolute low light performance, but the E-M1 should be more than capable for sporting events such as marathons.

There is also a question mark over continuous AF with moving subjects, although I believe the E-M1 is considerably better than My E-M5 in this respect and the E-M1ii should be better still.

But what really surprised me about the company's reasoning against Olympus cameras was that they specifically mentioned a lack of suitable lenses, which is patently untrue!
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

John, you can't expect reality to outweigh ignorance.
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But what really surprised me about the company's reasoning against Olympus cameras was that they specifically mentioned a lack of suitable lenses, which is patently untrue!
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

I seem to have misinterpreted the company's comments so I take back everything I said. After reading their comments again I can see that they were not claiming that Olympus doesn't have the lens range, but specifically they don't have any 10,000 plus pro lenses.

That's true, the 300mm f2.8 sells on Amazon at only 6478.52, so it can't possibly be up to the job!
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

As a Pentax and now an Olympus owner, I mustn't reply in length to this I would have a seizure . The Canikon tribe is an inbred group of self serving small brained something's......It's a shame, particularly remembering the true values Nikon used to have.
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

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Ask yourself if you really want to work for a bunch of muppets!

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I would agree with you Jim.

However, there are some other facts that shine a rather different light on things.

Firstly, the company provides photographers with 1 GB memory cards to capture the photographs. They specify that the camera must be set to write Jpeg's of 1 MB or just under, allowing 1,000 photographs to be written on to a card.

Cards are collected from photographers on a regular basis during the day so the images can be uploaded to the internet without delay, and new blank cards provided. In short, it is like a production line, with each photographer taking in excess of 3,000 'trophy' photographs during the day. The photographs are then sold on-line for upwards of 12 each. Photographers don't retain any images and copyright is transferred to the company.

Secondly, in this instance the photographers concerned (a group of photography students) were paid 60 each for working from 9 until 3.30 on a Sunday, plus several hours travelling time through the inevitable traffic chaos.

(To be fair I believe they do pay a slightly higher rate to freelance photographers.)

Travelling expenses were limited to the cost of local public transport, or actual petrol costs calculated on the mileage covered.

So, despite their ignorant and ill-informed comments about Olympus gear, image quality is clearly not a priority for this organisation. Indeed, a ten year old E1 with 50 ~ 200 attached would be more than up to the job, or a 14 ~ 54 for the 'trophy' shots!

I also wonder how many of these events a 'Pro' would need to cover to justify the cost of a new EOS 1D X Mark II plus some L glass?

Come to that, 3,000 exposures represents 2% of the 150,000 shots expected from the shutter of a new DSLR; which in the case of an EOS 1D X Mark II amounts to about 103.98 worth of wear and tear on the body alone! *

Makes you think doesn't it?

(* Based on WEX prices.)
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I would agree with you Jim.

However, there are some other facts that shine a rather different light on things.

Firstly, the company provides photographers with 1 GB memory cards to capture the photographs. They specify that the camera must be set to write Jpeg's of 1 MB or just under, allowing 1,000 photographs to be written on to a card.

Cards are collected from photographers on a regular basis during the day so the images can be uploaded to the internet without delay, and new blank cards provided. In short, it is like a production line, with each photographer taking in excess of 3,000 'trophy' photographs during the day. The photographs are then sold on-line for upwards of 12 each. Photographers don't retain any images and copyright is transferred to the company.

Secondly, in this instance the photographers concerned (a group of photography students) were paid 60 each for working from 9 until 3.30 on a Sunday, plus several hours travelling time through the inevitable traffic chaos.

(To be fair I believe they do pay a slightly higher rate to freelance photographers.)

Travelling expenses were limited to the cost of local public transport, or actual petrol costs calculated on the mileage covered.

So, despite their ignorant and ill-informed comments about Olympus gear, image quality is clearly not a priority for this organisation. Indeed, a ten year old E1 with 50 ~ 200 attached would be more than up to the job, or a 14 ~ 54 for the 'trophy' shots!

I also wonder how many of these events a 'Pro' would need to cover to justify the cost of a new EOS 1D X Mark II plus some L glass?

Come to that, 3,000 exposures represents 2% of the 150,000 shots expected from the shutter of a new DSLR; which in the case of an EOS 1D X Mark II amounts to about 103.98 worth of wear and tear on the body alone! *

Makes you think doesn't it?

(* Based on WEX prices.)
I wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole before reading that. Having read the details I hope they get all the 'pros' they need.
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

For what they pay any camera with P (for professional) on the mode dial will suffice. It makes their criticism of Olympus all the more laughable.
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For what they pay any camera with P (for professional) on the mode dial will suffice. It makes their criticism of Olympus all the more laughable.
In this case maybe P stands for Primates, pay peanuts, get monkeys.
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In this case maybe P stands for Primates, pay peanuts, get monkeys.
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Re: Looking for some advice after applying for Sports work

John, do you get the newest version of 'The Odd Couple' in the UK? Being a professional photographer has become a punchline in it. When the photographer in the show points out he's a professional he gets asked if that's even a thing these days.
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