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My memory needs a boost!

And the one on my PC is not much better

My PC is a few years old but works fine.
I've just started to use RAW and yesterday the ol' PC siezed up

I checked out the hard drive and there is virtually no free space (total is "only" 40G)
Stands to reason really as I'd just downloaded a full 4G card.

So................ I'm a bit computer dumb and don't want to muck around with the machine if I can help it.
I have a 500G external hard drive which I use to (monthly) back up my files - I then disconnect it from my PC and store it in the safe.
I guess some of you will think this is a bit batty but I have a fear of viral corruption & this way gives me peace of mind.
Also it means I have my precious photos in two different places.
I really ought to use the BT internet place too, but have not bothered.

What do you experts suggest I do?
Keep it simple please
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Re: My memory needs a boost!

There's nothing wrong with backing up.. It's a good plan to back up on an external disk as well. Backing up regularly is also the key.. So I would say you are doing pretty well.

However, raw files will fill up your disk quickly, as you have discovered. My solution would be to fit a second disk inside the computer if possible, and direct all your pictures to that disk. However, that's not a big help if you are not a PC mangler like many of us are.. You might need to talk to a local computer fettling shop.

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Re: My memory needs a boost!

Why don't you buy a second external hard drive just for you photographs,Then if something happens to you internal drive or your PC you still have your pictures.
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Re: My memory needs a boost!

Keeping an off-site backup is most definitely recommended practice!

No point having a backup if (God forbid) the worst happens and the house catches fire and your backup is lost along with the originals.

If you want to keep things as simple as possible then just buy another external drive... unless you want to try installing an internal one in which case you'll need to identify if your PC is using IDE cables (big fat cables) or SATA cables (small thin cables), but judging by the size of your exist drive I would guess IDE.

Hard-drive storage is getting extremely cheap these days and you should be able to get a 1TB drive (i.e. 25x more than you have now!) for around 40... a bit more for an external drive.
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Re: My memory needs a boost!

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Why don't you buy a second external hard drive just for you photographs,Then if something happens to you internal drive or your PC you still have your pictures.
I agree, I download all my images from camera via laptop to an external hard drive (1tb from ebay for 50) and work on them from there. I also save every original Raw file to a 2nd external hard drive which I could, if I so wished, store in a safe place (but I don't).

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Hi

Being a computer potcher (Welsh for fiddler) myself, I'd agree as to an IDE drive already inside your PC. Computer outlets like dabs.com or aria.com or ebuyer.com may still sell IDE drives. Otherwise its Fleabay.

Installation is easy BUT remember with IDE you have to specify which is your "Master" Drive. Normally the one already installed will be the master (having the Operation System on it). Therefore you must set the new or "Slave" drive to "Slave". There is a small jumper at the end of the drive where the IDE and power (Molex) cables are attached. Usually there's an illustration on top of the drive to tell you the "Slave" position for the jumper. Then its a matter of installing it (four screws) and attaching the cables. Remember to remove the Mains power cable (Kettle Lead) from the back of the PC as even though you "shut down" your computer, the motherboard is still "live" until you do so.

Once installed you may have to "Format" the new drive to take data.

Hope this helps.....

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Why don't you buy a second external hard drive just for you photographs,Then if something happens to you internal drive or your PC you still have your pictures.
The only problem with that logic is that something may also happen to the external drive (like getting knocked onto the floor) leaving you with a working PC but no photos... hard drives do have a very low failure rate but it can still happen.

It's always best to have at least 2 copies of important data stored in different locations... my backup drive is stored at my brothers, he periodically brings it over when he visits, I run a backup and he takes it home again.
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Re: My memory needs a boost!

Go to a computer specialist who will clone your existing main hard drive onto a maximum size for that connection format which probably is IDE & then it can be used without any changes but you will have 320gb instead of 40gb capacity. That is the no hassle way of starting again without starting again by having to reload all the programs files etc. It is still best to backup all your files, favourites & email contacts etc. Also always backup to an external hard drive to grab & run if necessary.
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Re: My memory needs a boost!

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Go to a computer specialist who will clone your existing main hard drive onto a maximum size for that connection format which probably is IDE & then it can be used without any changes but you will have 320gb instead of 40gb capacity. That is the no hassle way of starting again without starting again by having to reload all the programs files etc. It is still best to backup all your files, favourites & email contacts etc. Also always backup to an external hard drive to grab & run if necessary.
I'm with this one if you want to keep it simple

Cloning onto a bigger drive is a simple task for someone who knows what they are doing can do this for you for very little more than the cost fo the new disk

Re backups - whilst you are there get a 2nd the same size (or larger) than your original and switch to doing it every 2 weeks and taking it to work/family as is easiest - you then have complete peace of mind

If only I could get my sister in law to do this rather than dropping a PC on me in tears every year or so

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Re: My memory needs a boost!

Thanks chaps

I knew someone would advise

I've spent the afternoon downloading photos into my BT digital vault. I pay for it in my subs so might as well use it.
I remember now why I had not used it much - takes an age to download stuff into it. Plus I couldn't remember the username nor password. Both were obvious once I'd gone through the various ones I use. Have written them down on a card now .

I've a mate who "does" computers however he works long hours in the summer months so I'll not bother him until later in the year.

Meantime I might get a second stand alone hard drive. When my mate has added another internal HD I can use the 2nd to store stuff & take it to my Mums house

Was pleased you approved of my backup system - I thought I was being a bit over cautious
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Re: My memory needs a boost!

Good to heare we've helped

Just one thing to remember about these online backup services is that a number of them have closed down with no notice - they get too sucessful and the suppliers start realising how much it costs for little return for them.

I think they are possibly a useful offsite addition, but don't ever rely on them totally

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Thanks chaps

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I've a mate who "does" computers however he works long hours in the summer months so I'll not bother him until later in the year.

Might be worth asking him to see how much 'memory' you have installed, disk storage (which is what the discussion has been about) is great for the things you are not working on, but the main memory is where the work should happen. If your PC is scrabbling about swapping programs and data onto temporary page files then you are not going to be a very happy user, especially with some of the large files you can get with RAW processing.

If your PC seized up it's quite likely that it ran short of swap file space (which it'll only use if there isn't enough memory). Most PC's have a little light that flickers (or you can just hear the drive rattling) when things are being written from/to the hard drive. If you can hear/see the drive working a lot (especially when you are not opening/saving a file) chances are its's main memory you really need more than just disk space.

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And Ladies and Gentlemen, dont forget to de frag once a month, fragmented files grind a PC down quite quiclkly,
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And Ladies and Gentlemen, dont forget to de frag once a month, fragmented files grind a PC down quite quiclkly,
That's something I plan to do after the hard drive has been cloned on one of my older computers (it has 80gb with 2gb free) because it still needs room on the hard drive to shuffle things around in. It's just timing these around the family's needs & timings.
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Re: My memory needs a boost!

I'll try to keep it simple, but it won't be!
I'll write my own advice before reading others, keep it pure.
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...I checked out the hard drive and there is virtually no free space (total is "only" 40G)
Stands to reason really as I'd just downloaded a full 4G card....
I have a 500G external hard drive which I use to (monthly) back up my files - I then disconnect it from my PC and store it in the safe.
First let me say your backup method is excellent and mirrors my own, except my safe is in the garden waiting for a project so I use the downstairs cupboard.

Computers with 40Gig hard drives are fairly old now, although my wife's and my games machine are of that era.
When your hard drive fills right up it cripples the computer's brain since it was actually using that free space to help it think.
you need to move stuff off there onto your backup, at least 4 gig.

If it were my oldest computer I'd buy and install a 120gig (old Windows 98 limit) hard drive as a second drive and use that for all the data/pictures while I'm working. Backup as normal.

Other option : Buy and install a larger drive and hope your Windows version can deal with that. XP is fine, older Windows are only good for up to 120gig in normal circumstances.
I might also Install Windows XP onto the new drive and use that as a 'fresh new computer', as I did with this one right here. Your 40gig old drive becomes the place from whence to get all the stuff you used to use onto your new hard drive.

Last option : buy a new computer. (Avoid Windows Vista)
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