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Old 25th February 2008
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50mm and 12-60mm

I am going to get the 12-60mm within the next week or so.

When I have 12-60mm, is it worth me getting the 50mm?

I take animal, landscape and occasional close up images.

I will probably get the Bigma next month
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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

Do you mean the 50mm macro?

It's a high quality lens specifically designed for close up (macro images) but can also be useful as a portrait lens and has a fast maximum aperture. However at about £350 it's not cheap.

The late, great Victor Blackman from Amateur Photographer magazine used to say "if you don't know what lens to buy next you don't need a new lens".

Personally I'd use the 12-60mm and if I kept finding myself needing to focus closer, then I'd think about a macro. There's also the 35mm macro (which I have) which although not of the same quality, is a good lens for less than half the price.
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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

Yes I meant the macro.

Thanks for your advice.
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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

The 50mm macro is a fantastically good lens, pin sharp wide open and it renders the out of focus elements of pictures beautifully. It's also smaller than the 12-60mm too - which could come in handy for lightweight days. They're not at all scarce though, so, like DTD said, why not get to know your new 12-60mm? That said, if you've got 350 burning a hole in your pocket and you like the look of it, get it.
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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

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The late, great Victor Blackman from Amateur Photographer magazine used to say "if you don't know what lens to buy next you don't need a new lens".
They were the days, when AP was a good and authoritative magazine, with knowledgable writers.

I'd just say try your 12-60mm before worrying about it, this lens can get very close and with excellent performance. True macro isn't something everybody wants/needs, but a close focus lens like the 12-60mm is the next best thing if in doubt.
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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

Victor Blackman used to work for the Daily Express didn't he, if so he was one of the highlight of the year guest speakers at the local camera club many years ago, an excellent speaker as well as a great news photographer
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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

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Victor Blackman used to work for the Daily Express didn't he, if so he was one of the highlight of the year guest speakers at the local camera club many years ago, an excellent speaker as well as a great news photographer
He was also a cantankerous old b****** I used to love his column in AP and the banter between him and the equally great Ron Spillman. IIRC there was a bit of a fallout between VB and AP I seem to remember he wrote in Camera Weekly or something for a while.

To go back to the original post, one friend (not an Olympus user) who did buy a macro lens and it really opened up a new world for him. He found lots of new subjects because of the lens. I suppose it's a bit like how buying a tripod can totally change the type of subject you can tackle. But being a bit of a puritan, I still think getting to know one lens first is what I'd so.
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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

I am placing my order for the 12-60mm this morning. I am getting it from Kerso.

The money that I was going to use for the 50mm macro has been reassigned......errm spent. I have purchased a 16G sandisk III. I will let you all know if it works. Two season passes to Bowood (cheap and local) and other camera stuff.

If all goes well I should be getting the Bigma next month.
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I am placing my order for the 12-60mm this morning. I am getting it from Kerso.

The money that I was going to use for the 50mm macro has been reassigned......errm spent. I have purchased a 16G sandisk III. I will let you all know if it works. Two season passes to Bowood (cheap and local) and other camera stuff.

If all goes well I should be getting the Bigma next month.
The 12-60 will focus close enough for the lens hood to almost touch the subject you are focusing on. It will fill the width of the frame with about 5.5cm of subject (@60mm). There is slight barrel distortion but it's not that bad.

The 50mm macro doesn't need to get so inconveniently close and will fill the width of the frame with about 3.3cm of subject and there is appreciably less geometric distortion. Without an extension tube, the 50mm macro is a modest 1:2 optic, but the 35mm macro will reproduce 1:1, though you are practically on top of your subject at this magnification and this can complicate lighting.

It's well worth considering the Sigma 105mm macro - it's reviewed at another of our sites, Four Thirds User, see:

http://fourthirds-user.com/2007/08/s...ens_review.php

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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

Thanks for teh info Ian.

What is the Sigma 105mm like for landscape?
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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

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Without an extension tube, the 50mm macro is a modest 1:2 optic, but the 35mm macro will reproduce 1:1, though you are practically on top of your subject at this magnification and this can complicate lighting.

It's well worth considering the Sigma 105mm macro - it's reviewed at another of our sites, Four Thirds User, see:

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Hi Ian

I am no expert in macro but I am keen to start in this field. I struggle to understand the relationship between focal length and the magnification ratio.

With the Oly 50 mm macro and 1:2 magnification ratio is this less than 1:1 due to the focal length or is it because of the minimum focusing distance of the lens?

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I am no expert in macro but I am keen to start in this field. I struggle to understand the relationship between focal length and the magnification ratio.

With the Oly 50 mm macro and 1:2 magnification ratio is this less than 1:1 due to the focal length or is it because of the minimum focusing distance of the lens?

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It's just the design of that particular lens. Olympus kept the lens compact and fast, making it a very good all-purpose lens rather than a specialist macro lens. The optional extension tube could be the solution if you want to get even closer.

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Thanks for teh info Ian.

What is the Sigma 105mm like for landscape?
Landscape? Well, at an equivalent to a 210mm short telephoto, is this really a landscape lens at all?

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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

This is not a very serious suggestion for a close up lens but the new 70-300 will fill the frame with approx 3.5cm of subject.

For some subjects, where you can not approach closely or want to keep perspective reasonable, this might be the ideal lens.
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Re: 50mm and 12-60mm

Well the 12-60mm lens arrived this morning. I am impressed with Iar Kerr. Paid on Thurdsday, shipped friday and arrived today.

Its a big and heavy lens.....when compared to my current.

Now I need to find somewhere local and cheap (it is an expensive lens after all) and above all interesting to photograph.

A thing that I have found about the lens on the E510, you get lens shadow if you use the internal flash.

Its a good job that I have the FL-50.

It came with a lens bag, but does anyone know of a good lens case? I have a nice Tamrac for my 70-300.
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