Olympus UK E-System User Group
Olympus UK E-System User Group

Join our unique resource for Olympus Four Thirds E-System DSLR and Pen and OM-D Micro Four Thirds photographers. Show your images via our free e-group photo gallery. Please read the e-group.uk.net forum terms and conditions before posting for the first time. Above all, welcome!


Go Back   Olympus UK E-System User Group > Site news and information > Tutorials, Informative & Classic threads

Tutorials, Informative & Classic threads A new e-Group area for all the wonderful tutorials and helpful threads put on here by our members. Tutorials on using software, camera hardware - and feel free to request a tutorial if you need assistance!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 6th July 2017
Michael Sewell's Avatar
Michael Sewell Michael Sewell is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Burnley
Posts: 382
Thanks: 24
Thanked 52 Times in 35 Posts
Likes: 89
Liked 220 Times in 100 Posts
Bridal Rain Portrait



This image was taken at a wedding on the 14th November 2015, and the weather was particularly foul.

My main aim was to ensure I lit as much rain as possible, and also provide an interesting composition for the two girls.
Behind the girls at a height of around four feet, there's a Godox Witstro 360Ws (available in various guises and badges, including Cheetah Stands in the US, Strobies or Lencarta etc.). This was married to the dedicated beauty dish but without the grid fitted. Bearing in mind I wanted maximum spill for a couple of reasons. Firstly to illuminate the rain, and also to provide a rim light to the girls and the ground either side.
If I had gridded the beauty dish, the light would have been reduced in output, it wouldn't have spread enough for the full rim light on the girls, and nor would it have lit the rain to the same extent.
The output was set to .

The key/fill light was provided by a Godox 600Ws Energiser (available in different guises from several suppliers). It was mated to a 150cm folding octa with a honeycomb fitted, and at a height of five feet, positioned camera left and a little further forward of my position. I was shooting from a crouched position to ensure I managed to get the reflection in the wet floor.
The key light was also set to a output.

E-M1 1/10th sec ISO400 40-150mm f2.8 @f3.5 & 80mm

The slow shutter speed was to try and gain sufficient ambient light (a bit of a joke, TBH!), whilst trying to keep noise to a minimum with an ISO of 400

Budget version:

Substitute both lights for good speedlights. The rear light should be fitted with a stofen or equivalent and firing at power. You may find you don't quite get the distance for the rain, although I had more than enough for my frame.

The key light will need to be at full power, and should be fired into a silver lined reflective umbrella. The lack of diffusion panel will ensure minimal light loss, but the size of the umbrella will reduce the light's harshness. It's a compromise.
You may be able to move the key light closer to your subjects, although you may need to raise it higher to avoid frame fouling.

Things to bear in mind:

Use clear plastic bags for the light sources (An SB800 detonating in the rain will remove eyebrows far better than wax. Ask me about it sometime!)

Use something to weigh down or tether your lightstands. Umbrellas and softboxes make great parachutes, and will destroy your lighting gear in the slightest breeze.

Wear your waterproofs! Expensive suits look like any other collection of rags when you're soaked to the skin. (yep, you can ask me about that too!)

Ensure your client has suitable weatherproof jackets. They can be taken off for the actual shot, but generally help to reduce the likelihood of a manslaughter charge.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Michael Sewell For This Useful Post:
ashtonsd (7th July 2017), Graham_of_Rainham (7th July 2017), jchallen (7th July 2017), Zedex10r (7th July 2017), Zuiko (6th July 2017)
The Following Users Liked This Post:
AMc (10th July 2017), ashtonsd (7th July 2017), bassman (7th July 2017), Cerebus (6th July 2017), drmarkf (6th July 2017), Graham_of_Rainham (7th July 2017), MJ224 (7th July 2017), PeterBirder (6th July 2017), Zedex10r (7th July 2017)
  #2  
Old 6th July 2017
iso iso is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Kent
Posts: 1,884
Thanks: 234
Thanked 132 Times in 127 Posts
Likes: 782
Liked 233 Times in 201 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Fantastic shot Michael. Lack of response so far could be caused by 'confusion in the ranks' .......
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 6th July 2017
Zuiko's Avatar
Zuiko Zuiko is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dunmow, Essex
Posts: 22,050
Thanks: 1,981
Thanked 3,146 Times in 2,455 Posts
Likes: 3,379
Liked 4,453 Times in 2,114 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Quote:
Originally Posted by iso View Post
Fantastic shot Michael. Lack of response so far could be caused by 'confusion in the ranks' .......
Hey, you have to give people a chance to take it all in! There's a lot of info to absorb........

It's way out of my league but I find Michael's walk throughs fascinating and I love the creativity and originality of his work.
__________________
John

"A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Michael Sewell (6th July 2017)
  #4  
Old 6th July 2017
Michael Sewell's Avatar
Michael Sewell Michael Sewell is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Burnley
Posts: 382
Thanks: 24
Thanked 52 Times in 35 Posts
Likes: 89
Liked 220 Times in 100 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Quote:
Originally Posted by iso View Post
Fantastic shot Michael. Lack of response so far could be caused by 'confusion in the ranks' .......
I do realise that most members are very heavily into wildlife photography, and this kind of thing won't be for them.
However, I do hope it may help attract new members, or pique the interest of established members who may consider widening their repertoire.

Or something like that
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Michael Sewell For This Useful Post:
Barr1e (7th July 2017), PeterBirder (6th July 2017)
The Following Users Liked This Post:
MJ224 (7th July 2017), PeterBirder (6th July 2017)
  #5  
Old 6th July 2017
drmarkf's Avatar
drmarkf drmarkf is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 5,568
Thanks: 354
Thanked 491 Times in 411 Posts
Likes: 2,171
Liked 1,259 Times in 720 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

As someone who spends a great deal of time photographing people candidly, unposed and with whatever providence has given in the way of light, I am always delighted to see and learn what portraiture experts can achieve!

Lovely stuff.
__________________
Regards,
Mark

------------------------------
http://www.microcontrast.com
Too much Oly gear.
Panasonic 12-32, 12-35, 15. Laowa 7.5.
Assorted legacy lenses, plus a Fuji X70 & a Sony A7S.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Michael Sewell (8th July 2017)
  #6  
Old 6th July 2017
OM USer's Avatar
OM USer OM USer is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: London
Posts: 12,010
Thanks: 2,366
Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,421 Posts
Likes: 6,158
Liked 1,405 Times in 896 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Another great tutorial; thanks Michael. I'd love to try some of the shots have shown us but the opportunity and lighting equipment are not on my radar unfortunately.
__________________
Cameras: E-M5, E-PM2, OM40, OM4Ti
Lenses (M.Zuiko Digital): 7-14mm/F2.8, 12-40mm/F2.8, 40-150mm/F2.8+TC1.4x, 12-50mm/F3.5-6.3, 14-42mm/F3.5-5.6 EZ, M.ZD 40-150 F4-5.6 R, 75-300mm/F4.8-6.7 Mk1, 12mm/F2, 17mm/F1.8
Lenses (OM Zuiko): 50mm/F1.2, 24mm/F2, 35mm/F2.8 shift
Lenses (OM Fit): Vivitar Series II 28-105mm/F2.8-3.8, Sigma 21-35mm/F3.4-4.2, Sigma 35-70mm/F2.8-4, Sigma 75-200mm/F2.8-3.5, Vivitar Series II 100-500mm/F5.6-8.0, Centon 500mm/F8 Mirror
Learn something new every day
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 6th July 2017
Michael Sewell's Avatar
Michael Sewell Michael Sewell is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Burnley
Posts: 382
Thanks: 24
Thanked 52 Times in 35 Posts
Likes: 89
Liked 220 Times in 100 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Quote:
Originally Posted by OM USer View Post
Another great tutorial; thanks Michael. I'd love to try some of the shots have shown us but the opportunity and lighting equipment are not on my radar unfortunately.
This is achievable with three speedlights and a brolly.

The girls you'd need to source on your own
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Graham_of_Rainham (7th July 2017)
  #8  
Old 6th July 2017
pdk42's Avatar
pdk42 pdk42 is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Leamington Spa
Posts: 5,710
Thanks: 370
Thanked 1,257 Times in 942 Posts
Likes: 150
Liked 5,995 Times in 1,953 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Very interesting Michael. Maybe one day I'll get into studio work, but for the moment I'm really an ignoramus on it. So - thanks for the education. Lovely shot BTW.
__________________
Paul
E-M1ii, Pen-F and too many lenses
flickr
Portfolio Site
Instagram
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Michael Sewell (6th July 2017)
  #9  
Old 6th July 2017
PeterBirder's Avatar
PeterBirder PeterBirder is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: BRAINTREE ESSEX
Posts: 5,950
Thanks: 1,760
Thanked 1,024 Times in 854 Posts
Likes: 1,922
Liked 797 Times in 466 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

A very informative tutorial.

Even for those of us who either through lack of opportunity or disinclination for artificially lit photography do not use these techniques learning how light can be "constructed" to give particular effects gives us a better understanding of how we may be better able to make use of different types of natural light to enhance our own photography.

Many thanks for taking the time to produce this.
__________________
Peter

she looked at me and said "It's official. I hate your camera. It's just so amazing and perfect I want one!"

E-M10 MK II, E-M5, E-PL1, E-PM2, mZ 12-50, mZ 14-42mm EZ, mZ 17mm f 1.8, mZ 25mm f1.8, mZ 45mm f1.8, mZ 75-300mm II.
OM1n, OM 50mm f1.8.
Oly Viewer3, Dxo Pro 11. FastStone.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Michael Sewell (6th July 2017)
  #10  
Old 7th July 2017
Wee man's Avatar
Wee man Wee man is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Newcastle Co. Down N. Ireland
Posts: 7,995
Thanks: 2,392
Thanked 1,151 Times in 1,026 Posts
Likes: 281
Liked 1,232 Times in 802 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Nice shot, and interesting detail on the lighting set up.

Sent from my LG-H870 using Tapatalk
__________________
Ed

What if the Hokey Cokey is what its all about?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Michael Sewell (7th July 2017)
  #11  
Old 7th July 2017
Walti Walti is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 3,394
Thanks: 326
Thanked 223 Times in 190 Posts
Likes: 236
Liked 1,711 Times in 638 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Michael,

Many thanks for the tutorial, I've had a couple of goes at flash portrait work and have not done that well with it... I think my main issue is that I don't fully understand how to choose the flash settings and camera settings to get the best.

I've got Olympus flash guns so that I can use the remote control built into the camera, and set different flash values if required. While this works quite well for fill in photos I cannot get decent photos using the flash as the main light source, they always come out very underexposed.

What is your approach to getting the exposure correct? As you simply state "I've set this at power that at power" and away you go... do you measure the flash, or employ empirical adjustments?

Typical set up I've tried is two FL36R on white umbrella stands indoors plus an optional FL600 for highlighting usually set up with the two umbrellas at around 1.5m left and right 45 degrees either side and slightly above the subject, with the option of an additional slave to give backdrop lighting.

I think I may set up a still life to try the lighting on (as it won't complain as much as my subjects have to date)

Many thanks

Paul
__________________

Some Olympus stuff
I didn't get where I am today...
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 7th July 2017
Graham_of_Rainham's Avatar
Graham_of_Rainham Graham_of_Rainham is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Rainham
Posts: 8,101
Thanks: 642
Thanked 939 Times in 727 Posts
Likes: 2,263
Liked 1,580 Times in 910 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Sewell View Post
I do realise that most members are very heavily into wildlife photography, and this kind of thing won't be for them....
While I work at a Wildlife Trust, most of my photography is of people in studios and on location.

Inspirational shots, like these, can be the basis of all sorts of ideas for others to explore.

Thank you for these postings, they are really appreciated.

__________________
Graham

We often repeat the mistakes we most enjoy...
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
Michael Sewell (7th July 2017)
  #13  
Old 7th July 2017
Michael Sewell's Avatar
Michael Sewell Michael Sewell is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Burnley
Posts: 382
Thanks: 24
Thanked 52 Times in 35 Posts
Likes: 89
Liked 220 Times in 100 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Quote:
Originally Posted by Walti View Post
Michael,

Many thanks for the tutorial, I've had a couple of goes at flash portrait work and have not done that well with it... I think my main issue is that I don't fully understand how to choose the flash settings and camera settings to get the best.

I've got Olympus flash guns so that I can use the remote control built into the camera, and set different flash values if required. While this works quite well for fill in photos I cannot get decent photos using the flash as the main light source, they always come out very underexposed.

What is your approach to getting the exposure correct? As you simply state "I've set this at power that at power" and away you go... do you measure the flash, or employ empirical adjustments?

Typical set up I've tried is two FL36R on white umbrella stands indoors plus an optional FL600 for highlighting usually set up with the two umbrellas at around 1.5m left and right 45 degrees either side and slightly above the subject, with the option of an additional slave to give backdrop lighting.

I think I may set up a still life to try the lighting on (as it won't complain as much as my subjects have to date)

Many thanks

Paul

With regards to 1/4 or 1/2 output, I'm referring to using the speedlight in manual mode, where you dial the required output.
TTL can give inconsistent results, because it relies on measuring the amount of light being bounced back from the subject, and this can vary depending on a number of factors, including colours.
A bridal gown will reflect more light, and can fool the TTL into registering the scene as over exposed, quenching the flash early and causing the scene to be under exposed.
A groom in a black or charcoal suit will reflect less light, and cause the TTL system to attempt to increase the light output to compensate, over exposing the scene.

By taking manual control, you are developing the look of the image exactly as you intend to record it. Adjusting the output of the speedlights up or down to get the effect you want.

Does that make sense?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Michael Sewell For This Useful Post:
Walti (7th July 2017)
  #14  
Old 7th July 2017
Walti Walti is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 3,394
Thanks: 326
Thanked 223 Times in 190 Posts
Likes: 236
Liked 1,711 Times in 638 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Sewell View Post
With regards to 1/4 or 1/2 output, I'm referring to using the speedlight in manual mode, where you dial the required output.
TTL can give inconsistent results, because it relies on measuring the amount of light being bounced back from the subject, and this can vary depending on a number of factors, including colours.
A bridal gown will reflect more light, and can fool the TTL into registering the scene as over exposed, quenching the flash early and causing the scene to be under exposed.
A groom in a black or charcoal suit will reflect less light, and cause the TTL system to attempt to increase the light output to compensate, over exposing the scene.

By taking manual control, you are developing the look of the image exactly as you intend to record it. Adjusting the output of the speedlights up or down to get the effect you want.

Does that make sense?
Yes that makes sense, how do you work out the starting point though? Especially when using reflectors and umbrellas.
__________________

Some Olympus stuff
I didn't get where I am today...
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 7th July 2017
Michael Sewell's Avatar
Michael Sewell Michael Sewell is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Burnley
Posts: 382
Thanks: 24
Thanked 52 Times in 35 Posts
Likes: 89
Liked 220 Times in 100 Posts
Re: Bridal Rain Portrait

Quote:
Originally Posted by Walti View Post
Yes that makes sense, how do you work out the starting point though? Especially when using reflectors and umbrellas.
Experience will give you an idea what light output you get at a given setting with a given modifier at a given distance to the subject.
.Yeah, I know, it doesn't help

However, a rule of thumb would be to put them all at 1/4 output, Camera at ISO400, 1/125th sec and f5.6 and take a test shot. Then you can adjust up or down as required. (This is assuming an indoor environment).

1/4 output leaves you with two stops more output going up, and up to five stops going down. (If your speedlight goes down to 1/128th)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rain Rain & More Rain. Westy The lounge 9 25th June 2012 01:59 PM
OMD in the rain The Technician Olympus OM-D E-M5 11 19th May 2012 02:57 PM
More Portrait and a Self Portrait For The None Squimish OlyPaul Foto Fair 15 27th December 2011 10:20 PM
But I don't like the rain!! andym Foto Fair 5 8th July 2009 08:31 AM
Portrait shot: hi-key child portrait theMusicMan Looking for improvement 9 18th January 2008 12:04 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:33 PM.


The Write Technology Ltd, 2007-2019, All rights reservedAd Management plugin by RedTyger