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According to rumours… The UK is doomed?

What or who to believe? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business

And then, there is this? https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news...id=mailsignout

Perhaps certain high-lighted links could explain why so called negotiations are not being negotiated?
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Look at the big picture...

- UK is a small, post industrial nation with severe productivity challenges (skills, infrastructure, capital investment, regional imbalances, ...)

- Europe is one of the world's biggest and richest markets and makes up 50% of our trade.

- Euro currency union probably a mistake

What we want is to be part of the EU and its internal market but not the Euro. Oh, hang on - isn't that what we have now?
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Look at the big picture...

- UK is a small, post industrial nation with severe productivity challenges (skills, infrastructure, capital investment, regional imbalances, ...)

- Europe is one of the world's biggest and richest markets and makes up 50% of our trade.

- Euro currency union probably a mistake

What we want is to be part of the EU and its internal market but not the Euro. Oh, hang on - isn't that what we have now?
To take your points in turn

The UK is the 5th or 6th largest market in the world how is that small?

EU actually makes up 43% of our trade and falling. Also, trade won't stop when we leave, the EU does trade with China, US, and many other non members why would they stop trading with us?

I agree with your last point if you remove the word probably.
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EU actually makes up 43% of our trade and falling. Also, trade won't stop when we leave, the EU does trade with China, US, and many other non members why would they stop trading with us?
Indeed.

The reason that it is falling as a proportion of the whole is that the U.K. is successfully and significantly increasing its international trade with countries such as China, the US and South Korea.

So, it is doing this while ‘shackled by the constraints of EU membership’ as Brexit supporters love to claim. So this claim is demonstrably rubbish.
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Indeed.

The reason that it is falling as a proportion of the whole is that the U.K. is successfully and significantly increasing its international trade with countries such as China, the US and South Korea.
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Successful? Really? Why then do we have such a large trade deficit? I think this explains why, were I to understand the spreadsheets fully.

I'm obviously missing something here, if you have a trade deficit then surely less trade is better This stuff is way more complex than can ever be explained in soundbites.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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- Europe is one of the world's biggest and richest markets and makes up 50% of our trade.
The truth about the European riches is that many member countries have huge debts, not just the P.I.G.S. but also (tête dans le sable) France. Their spending, funded by borrowing, cannot go on forever. When it all collapses, we want to be well clear of it.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Spot on Paul, spot on!

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Perhaps certain high-lighted links could explain why so called negotiations are not being negotiated?
Because David 'Thick as Mince' Davis is just strolling around with his hands in his pockets and a smug look on his face!

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Am/was not a leaver, but now we are at the leaving point, I think we need to break free of the EU and not be a hanger on,

We, as a country want to be independent, and there are plenty of opportunities out there to make it a success. Gonna be a year or two before it works out tho'.

EU are not being helpful, which is understandable. Why should they??

Lets just get on with it. EU needs us as much as we need them, re exports certainly.

My regret is that we will not have a RIGHT to live there, as they do us.............................

(Not an expert on the matter, but kinda sitting on the fence)

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Am/was not a leaver, but now we are at the leaving point, I think we need to break free of the EU and not be a hanger on,

We, as a country want to be independent, and there are plenty of opportunities out there to make it a success. Gonna be a year or two before it works out tho'.

EU are not being helpful, which is understandable. Why should they??

Lets just get on with it. EU needs us as much as we need them, re exports certainly.

My regret is that we will not have a RIGHT to live there, as they do us.............................

(Not an expert on the matter, but kinda sitting on the fence)

We've got much, much more to lose than EU. That's why the "negotiations" are doomed. We'll get screwed no matter what. We need to get this stupid decision reversed. Another referendum or a general election where the EU question is the key agenda item is needed desperately. We're in a complete mess right now and I just don't see any way out.

Theresa May's government is floundering. Massive splits in Tory party. Negotiations nowhere. It's crisis time!
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

The biggest single problem with Brexit is the total lack of evaluation of all the diverse aspects that have to be addressed. If we had wanted out, say 35 years ago, it would have been relatively simple. Today it is anything but. The evaluation should have been done BEFORE the referendum; an over-simplistic referendum followed by triggering exit without even thinking about what the issues would be, what it would cost us, etc, etc, was about as incompetent as it could possibly get. Now we are resorting to blind faith and hubris, again without any evaluation of these allegedly wonderful opportunities, history will undoubtedly repeat itself.

I think the upshot will be that we leave without any sort of deal. And I have to say, for the first time in my life, I fear the future.
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The biggest single problem with Brexit is the total lack of evaluation of all the diverse aspects that have to be addressed. If we had wanted out, say 35 years ago, it would have been relatively simple. Today it is anything but. The evaluation should have been done BEFORE the referendum; an over-simplistic referendum followed by triggering exit without even thinking about what the issues would be, what it would cost us, etc, etc, was about as incompetent as it could possibly get. Now we are resorting to blind faith and hubris, again without any evaluation of these allegedly wonderful opportunities, history will undoubtedly repeat itself.

I think the upshot will be that we leave without any sort of deal. And I have to say, for the first time in my life, I fear the future.
Totally agree - that's why we need to get it reversed.
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Totally agree - that's why we need to get it reversed.
Indeed.
This democracy nonsense needs sorting out.
And please explain how it can it be that Gideon's and Dave's predictions of immediate disaster for he economy, civilsociety and worls peace were so wrong. Are remoaners' arguements now any better than previously ?
Are any of the predictions of remoaners based on rigorous analysis of facts ? Or are they based on expert predictions ?
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Looks like we are getting another BUS



Interestingly they provide all the links to "Fact Check"

https://www.isitworthit.org.uk/
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Yeahbut with the £350 million a week we'll be getting back, we will only be £1650 million a week down. Shame about the NHS though!

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