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Re: Nikon announces development of 800mm 'super' tele

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Ah, yes. So far so good for the Zuiko 4/3 combo...

But in the future, Nikon will still be making bodies for their 800 mm, whereas I don't know what I can use on my 300 mm 2.8 + EC14 when the E5 dies.

Unless someone would be bothered to tell...
It will work on the E-M5 or any Pen and even on some Panasonic G-series bodies.

But I am still hoping Olympus will do an E-7... we should know at by Photokina. The E-5 was announced just before Photokina 2010. The E-30 was unveiled unnamed at Photokina 2008 - I guess that if there is to be an E-7 Olympus will show something at this year's Photokina.

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Re: Nikon announces development of 800mm 'super' tele

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I guess Nikon are developing this lens to be in par with the longest Canon lens. For reference the Canon 800mm F/5.6 lens weighs about 4.5 kg and has a price tag around 14k USD. As Ian writes the Zuiko 300mm F/2.8 + EC20 provides comparable angle of view and brightness at half price tag and at 3.5 kg "only". Not sure about IQ, though. (penalty using EC20?)

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Re: Nikon announces development of 800mm 'super' tele

And here is a link to a page with a picture and more information.


"Furthermore, this lens is scheduled to be on display at Photokina 2012, one of the world's largest photo and imaging exhibitions, to be held in Cologne, Germany from September 18–23, 2012."
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Re: Nikon announces development of 800mm 'super' tele

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It will work on the E-M5 or any Pen and even on some Panasonic G-series bodies.

But I am still hoping Olympus will do an E-7... we should know at by Photokina. The E-5 was announced just before Photokina 2010. The E-30 was unveiled unnamed at Photokina 2008 - I guess that if there is to be an E-7 Olympus will show something at this year's Photokina.

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I think an E7 at Photokina 2012 would raise confidence overall in Olympus & not just for those with HG & SHG lenses.
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I guess Nikon are developing this lens to be in par with the longest Canon lens. For reference the Canon 800mm F/5.6 lens weighs about 4.5 kg and has a price tag around 14k USD. As Ian writes the Zuiko 300mm F/2.8 + EC20 provides comparable angle of view and brightness at half price tag and at 3.5 kg "only". Not sure about IQ, though. (penalty using EC20?)

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You only need the EC-14 and that delivers better IQ than the EC-20 and your equivalent lens is a 840mm f/4

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Re: Nikon announces development of 800mm 'super' tele

What I would like to see is Olympus developing lens's like a 300mm 2.8 for the micro four-thirds bodies. Surly they would be smaller than the four-thirds equivalents and potentially cheaper as well? As that is surely were the future lies for Olympus.
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Re: Nikon announces development of 800mm 'super' tele

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I think an E7 at Photokina 2012 would raise confidence overall in Olympus & not just for those with HG & SHG lenses.
When I asked the people at Olympus in Norway they were very definate that there will be no more four thirds bodies, only micro four thirds. So I'm not hoping any more...

Just hoping that if they sort out the autofocus issues that supposedly are a problem with using 4/3 lenses on the EM-5 that I will like those bodies for my use. But I doubt it, I don't see them having the same priorities that I do in the development area.

So - by the look of it, there will be some very nice Oly equipment for sale when my E3 and E5 bodies are worn out. Then I will look into Nikon or Canon. If I can afford them.

Oly don't try to sell very much in Norway, and there are only Nikons and Canons for trying out in the shops before buying. And honestly, there is no way I am buying and OMD for 4/3 lenses without having tried one for birds/action. The performance of micro 4/3 doesn't convince in that dicipline from what I've seen so far.
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Some examples of ruffs taken with this combo. Supported by a monopod and Manfrotto Gimbal-type head. The result is a bit too soft for me, and sharpening made them artificial. I prefer to use the 300 mm on its own and crop. Which is why I would like more pixels than the E5 has.





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It will work on the E-M5 or any Pen and even on some Panasonic G-series bodies.



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Promising, Ian. I didn't notice you wrote this (what a grumpy old nag I have become - must be the rain...)

BUT: Will it focus as fast as one needs for birds in flight? If it does (and you're probably the only one here with the gear available to try it out in a proper test (hint hint)) and the OMD focuses reliably and quick, then I am more than willing to give the "OMG" a chance and being an optimist again.

Could you pop the 300 mm 2.8 on the OMD with the adapter, as well as the 50-200 mm SWD and the 12-60 SWD? I am going on two once-in-a-lifetime trips in the coming months and a third body is tempting for back-up, probably necessary even.

A thorough test of 4/3 lenses (even the two Sigmas 105 and 150mm macros) on the E5 and the OMD-EM5 and maybe even a regular new PEN like the E-PL3 (which I have... ) would be most welcome, and might shut some of us (me especially...) up.

Then we would have the facts: Is it slower - if so - HOW MUCH? Is the autofocus reliable - if not quite, then HOW unreliable? Then each can decide if it will work well enough. I would really like fast and reliable continuous autofocus, as the E5 is a bit unreliable in C-AF mode. So this is something that I would like to see improved in a body for my 50-200 and 300 mm. I never use all the autofocus points today anyway during bird shooting, as the camera rarely knows what to focus on and I still get plenty of sharp shots.

So, Ian. A full test would be much appreciated. I've had Olys since 1980... I've only ever had a Nikon pair of binoculars. But I live in Canonikon country - there are no OMDs to try out withought spending the kroners...
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What I would like to see is Olympus developing lens's like a 300mm 2.8 for the micro four-thirds bodies. Surly they would be smaller than the four-thirds equivalents and potentially cheaper as well? As that is surely were the future lies for Olympus.
The problem is that a 300/2.8 probably wouldn't be much smaller for micro 4/3 than for big 4/3 or even 35mm. Physics means that the front element has to be nearly 100 mm across and that means a big, heavy (and cripplingly expensive) lens.

Where the smaller sensor and shorter flange distance of micro 4/3rds really score is with wide-angle lenses. The distance from the back of the lens to the sensor is a major constraint on design at short focal lengths. The lens likes to sit at a distance roughly equal to the focal length, so when the focal length is shorter than the available space the lens designers have to play all sorts of tricks to make it work. This is why many very short focal-length lenses for 35mm SLR's were pretty chunky. Everything being smaller for 4/3rds helps a bit, but the really big jump comes with micro-4/3rds not having a reflex mirror to get in the way. Hence the m43 12mm f/2 being tiny - a lens of that spec for big43 would be pretty huge.

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Re: Nikon announces development of 800mm 'super' tele

Actually a 300mm f/2.8 needs a front element slightlty over 100mm in diameter. 107 point something mm, can't find a calculator.
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A thorough test of 4/3 lenses (even the two Sigmas 105 and 150mm macros) on the E5 and the OMD-EM5 and maybe even a regular new PEN like the E-PL3 (which I have... ) would be most welcome, and might shut some of us (me especially...) up.

Then we would have the facts: Is it slower - if so - HOW MUCH? Is the autofocus reliable - if not quite, then HOW unreliable? Then each can decide if it will work well enough. I would really like fast and reliable continuous autofocus, as the E5 is a bit unreliable in C-AF mode. So this is something that I would like to see improved in a body for my 50-200 and 300 mm. I never use all the autofocus points today anyway during bird shooting, as the camera rarely knows what to focus on and I still get plenty of sharp shots.

So, Ian. A full test would be much appreciated. I've had Olys since 1980... I've only ever had a Nikon pair of binoculars. But I live in Canonikon country - there are no OMDs to try out withought spending the kroners...
The Sigma 150 macro lens doesn't focus correctly on the E-M5. It goes to the focus point & does it's little jiggle to settle on the best focus point, but it shoots past that point, so only MF is usable.
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The Sigma 150 macro lens doesn't focus correctly on the E-M5. It goes to the focus point & does it's little jiggle to settle on the best focus point, but it shoots past that point, so only MF is usable.
Well, it's not my favourite lens (neither of the Sigmas WOW me...) but the 300 mm 2.8 and the 50-200 mm SWD... well...

I guess I'd just have to get a dedicated Oly macro

Any other trial reports out there?
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Well, it's not my favourite lens (neither of the Sigmas WOW me...) but the 300 mm 2.8 and the 50-200 mm SWD... well...

I guess I'd just have to get a dedicated Oly macro

Any other trial reports out there?
Then you'll probably want the new 60mm M4/3's macro lens when it is available.
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Re: Nikon announces development of 800mm 'super' tele

Well, first I'd need an OMD-EM5
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