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What sort of a place are we living in

POOR ME

I think this joke and many others are hilarious ... they are posted in the lounge and the title clearly states what it is about ... - much as "Political" threads here.

No one had to LOOK much as images in Foto Fair titled "Nudes"

I feel worse than being back at school
If I receive a complaint I have to follow it up and consider it. Surely it is right that I bring such issues to the attention of the forum?

As I say, it's a fine line with no absolute definition. One test might be, if you had a 12 year old daughter would you be comfortable with her reading it?
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"For me it’s about being the way you like. Not to wear a bra or wear a see-through top to show the breasts and the nipples."
I have no problem with that at all. I'm all for being inclusive and open minded and equal and all that.

In fact, I thoroughly enjoy watching women's football and rugby.

But Firemen do nothing for me.
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If I receive a complaint I have to follow it up and consider it. Surely it is right that I bring such issues to the attention of the forum?

As I say, it's a fine line with no absolute definition. One test might be, if you had a 12 year old daughter would you be comfortable with her reading it?
Children would be laughing at this at 8 years old after all they have Sex Education from age 5 years these days and are taught that a body is a body not a sex object. The problems come with Pornography, soft, firm and hard core actual images and parents/family who make "the body and sex, a secret and a no! no!".

Did moving the Sun/Mirror Topless ladies to Page 3 stop children looking at the images ? No it made it more exciting to talk about having "seen it" !

THIS is very clearly a joke

ps I do not recall we have any 12 year old girl members ? What is the Rule on membership age here ? (out of interest?)

After all we do have, Nude photos from time to time - which is "worse" ? for a 12 year old girl to look at OR read ?
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Re: Pinch my nipples

Just an update for you, I've received another complaint. It reinforces my gut feeling that maybe we are getting a little too borderline on this forum, yes probably me included, and need to reconsider our own parameters of acceptability.
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I have no problem with that at all. I'm all for being inclusive and open minded and equal and all that.

In fact, I thoroughly enjoy watching women's football and rugby.

But Firemen do nothing for me.
I have not seen many of your photos taken at these events Nigel ? I expect they would be equal to mine of the men playing football and rugby ?
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Just an update for you, I've received another complaint. It reinforces my gut feeling that maybe we are getting a little too borderline on this forum, yes probably me included, and need to reconsider our own parameters of acceptability.
Oh Dear ! Maybe we should all write to Olympus for their opinion ? They who promote the female form in little clothing and no clothing !

This is a photography forum which frequently celebrates both the male and female body forms.

I feel it is very sad, here today !

Who is the Complainant ? after all we should each be able to put our name to a complaint ? Is that not Democracy ?
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I have not seen many of your photos taken at these events Nigel ? I expect they would be equal to mine of the men playing football and rugby ?
Oh I don't take photos of them. That would be naughty.

We no longer have a 12 year old daughter at home as she is now 17, but if I recall there wasn't much she didn't know when she was 12. In fact, I get the feeling that girls are worse then boys, as boys are only interested in computer games and cars.
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Oh I don't take photos of them. That would be naughty.

We no longer have a 12 year old daughter at home as she is now 17, but if I recall there wasn't much she didn't know when she was 12. In fact, I get the feeling that girls are worse then boys, as boys are only interested in computer games and cars.
Nigel, is me taking photos of the young men or boys playing football in the park "naughty" ? ... There was and is, nothing sexual about it, just taking record shots of their achievements and proud moments - our local village rugby team won a place at Regionals and then the Nationals - and were runners up in the final at Northampton ! A MASSIVE Achievement ... I would add I was asked to take these photographs by the Team Coaches and the Parents, and the Teams raised many funds for their respective Clubs from their sale.

Miriam Stoppard (Dr.) writes an excellent book "Questions Children ask?" with answers on each subject, by age - it is a really worthwhile read and of great practical use as it dovetails in with the National Curriculum on Sex Education for young children in primary School from the beginning of all things
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Just an update for you, I've received another complaint. It reinforces my gut feeling that maybe we are getting a little too borderline on this forum, yes probably me included, and need to reconsider our own parameters of acceptability.
John, what is the EXACT nature of both of these complaints ? I am interested, very interested, in exactly what the Complainants find "offensive" ?

Moreover, WHY ? they find this joke offensive ?

Moderation is an important part of any forum, but in moderation I feel. Are Olympus Happy with the this level of moderation ?
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I do not recall we have any 12 year old girl members
Maybe this is why........

Mentioning private parts probably isn't the issue here, but describing stimulation of those parts for sexual pleasure maybe is. Just the same as a nude photograph might be acceptable per se, but not if it depicts a sexual act or provocative pose.

Becoming a censor as well as a moderator is not a duty I relish, because it is so highly subjective, which is why I am simply asking everyone to pause a moment and reassess their own boundaries of acceptability in order to spare me the job. If not, when I receive complaints I will just have to judge them by my own yardstick and that will not be to everyone's approval, so tough. However, I certainly hope that no member would wish to wilfully cause offense to another.
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Who is the Complainant ? after all we should each be able to put our name to a complaint ? Is that not Democracy ?
One complainant contacted me by private message and another through the Reported Post facility. This tells me that they wish to remain anonymous and I will always respect that wish, which is also their right.

May I remind you that this isn't a democracy, even though once again it seems I am being asked to justify my own actions. This is a little disappointing as I have tried to handle this matter in a non-authoritative or regulative manner. You may well note that although I have raised the concerns expressed to me I have not yet either closed or deleted this thread. However, if this thread goes any further towards how some previous threads have gone I may review that decision, for reasons other than the original content.
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I fully agree with John. Not because of Moderators standing side by side, but simply because he is right.
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Maybe this is why........

Mentioning private parts probably isn't the issue here, but describing stimulation of those parts for sexual pleasure maybe is. Just the same as a nude photograph might be acceptable per se, but not if it depicts a sexual act or provocative pose.

Becoming a censor as well as a moderator is not a duty I relish, because it is so highly subjective, which is why I am simply asking everyone to pause a moment and reassess their own boundaries of acceptability in order to spare me the job. If not, when I receive complaints I will just have to judge them by my own yardstick and that will not be to everyone's approval, so tough. However, I certainly hope that no member would wish to wilfully cause offense to another.
I think we all respect your decisions in these matters John, and understand your need and duty to keep the majority happy.

I wouldn't wish to offend anyone by posting jokes that cross the line of decency, but I would hate to see this generally pleasant and open minded forum become dull and sterile as so many others have in the interests of bland political correctness.

It also worries me that so many people look for reasons to be offended nowadays; not just here, but in every walk of life. If every forum, pub, club, and workplace were to be run to placate such people I genuinely believe we would all be poorer for it.

But it wouldn't end there; for the 'offended few' would still be unhappy, and would demand tighter and tighter censorship until we were unable to post anything other than the most benign statements and opinions.

Laughter is good for us ALL. Please don't let them take that pleasure away.
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I think we all respect your decisions in these matters John, and understand your need and duty to keep the majority happy.

I wouldn't wish to offend anyone by posting jokes that cross the line of decency, but I would hate to see this generally pleasant and open minded forum become dull and sterile as so many others have in the interests of bland political correctness.

It also worries me that so many people look for reasons to be offended nowadays; not just here, but in every walk of life. If every forum, pub, club, and workplace were to be run to placate such people I genuinely believe we would all be poorer for it.

But it wouldn't end there; for the 'offended few' would still be unhappy, and would demand tighter and tighter censorship until we were unable to post anything other than the most benign statements and opinions.

Laughter is good for us ALL. Please don't let them take that pleasure away.
I think we generally have a laissez faire style of moderation here, with only rarely a need to become authoritative, so hopefully your fear of the forum becoming dull and sterile will not transpire. The membership can take great credit for making this possible, through self-restraint and genuine sensibility for the feelings of others. However, with such a system it is incumbent upon each and every one of us to pause from time to time and reassess the content we are posting. That certainly includes me, more than most perhaps, as by my own admission I sometimes sail close to the wind in terms of political threads and jokes in particular.

Recently I posted a joke about which camera setting would you chose if Katie Hopkins was drowning in front of you. The original joke that I received from one of my friends actually featured a well-known controversial and extremist preacher of a popular religion. I considered it funny, but maybe a little contentious for posting on a public forum that aims for diverse appeal. So I changed the character to good old Katie, as I considered her a somewhat more appropriate target in view of some of her recently expressed opinions concerning the plight of would-be refugees attempting to cross the Mediterranean.

Only today, before I had received any complaint about Keith's joke, I deleted a joke about the Pope engaging in a sexual activity that I was about to post, my sixth sense telling me it was perhaps going a little too far.

That's not to say I will always get it right and I am not immune to moderation. I would urge that if any member at any time is offended by one of my posts they report it. This can be by PM to Graham or Ian, to protect anonymity if desired. Only through individual and collective responsibility can we maintain the great spirit of friendship and respectful tolerance that we enjoy on this forum.
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John, Thank you for explaining to us members, how much more you have to think about in regard to moderation.

How is it, that Olympus can openly mock the afflicted (in a TV advert for Commercial gain of £'s millions) who suffer a disability, by showing a male (sexist it is not shown happening to a female) with one arm longer than the other, Half the population have one arm longer than the other !

AND what about Equal Opportunity - using that camera

I think I may moderate TV ads by complaining about that one to Advertising Standards Agency ! After all it is not being shown after the watershed and children may get the wrong idea that it is fine to mock disabled. and the example 12 year old girl may just see it here in the thread with hotlink


ps I have just spoken to a neighbour who is an Ad exec in London and he says "if it was a cartoon depicting a disability like this ad does, it would be alright or a "creature made up or animal" as in the Cornflakes neolithic man ad on tv."
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