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Sensor Cleaning

Have been quoted 39.99 by LCE for a sensor clean for a 5mk ll. Is this reasonable??
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Re: Sensor Cleaning

Sounds a bit steep for a 5 min job. I'd be tempted to do it myself TBH. It's not difficult, but you'll need some sensor swabs and fluid. That'll probably cost you 40, but you'll be able to clean it many times.
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Re: Sensor Cleaning

I was charged 25 some years ago at Campkins in Cambridge when something large, sticky and nasty attached itself to my M1's sensor.

Shows the value of getting them cleaned for free every year at the NEC (they also do a full body internal clean, which you probably don't get from a non-Oly service).
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Re: Sensor Cleaning

I used to clean sensors myself, with wipes and 'eclipse' fluid. I have read, however, that it is unwise to do this on sensors with image stabilisation, because it is possible to damage the mechanism.

Has anyone any hard information?
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I used to clean sensors myself, with wipes and 'eclipse' fluid. I have read, however, that it is unwise to do this on sensors with image stabilisation, because it is possible to damage the mechanism.

Has anyone any hard information?
I have always cleaned my sensors on dslr cameras and now on the Oly M10 and M1/1. If you use a swap and fluid with the camera turned off, the sensor moves as you swab it. I have no idea if any damage is caused. I always clean the sensor with the camera switched on, and the sensor seems then to be held rigidly and it does not move. But be advised that cleaning does not involve rubbing away at the sensor (it is not actually the sensor at all) it just involves two or three very light swipes in one direction accross the sensor. This topic has been covered many times in other forums. Just buy proper sensor swabs and proper fluid. Under no circumstances be tempted as some do, to use tissue or cotton buds because you will probably leave more debris on the sensor than you remove.
And finally please don't be so silly as to say that in 10 years of use your sensor has no dust and that you have never had cause to get it cleaned. If you think you have no grot on your sensor, then you haven't looked properly.
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I used to clean sensors myself, with wipes and 'eclipse' fluid. I have read, however, that it is unwise to do this on sensors with image stabilisation, because it is possible to damage the mechanism.

Has anyone any hard information?
There's no evidence that I've found to support the conjecture that careful cleaning can damage IBIS. On the contrary, camera shops across the world will clean your Olympus/Panasonic/Pentax/Sony camera just like they'd clean a Canon or Nikon. I'm pretty sure that LCE in London (where OP has his camera cleaned) have no Olympus specialist tool to clamp there IBIS or such like. In fact, I've watched the Olympus technicians at The Photography Show cleaning sensors and they just use swabs with cleaning fluid.

There are similar objections to owner cleaning that pop up from time to time regarding anti static coatings and the potential to remove them by wet cleaning. Again, I've seen no evidence to support this view. I think it's just internet chunter.

As to cleaning with IBIS on or off - my view is off for three reasons:

a) If the camera is turned on and you inadvertently touched the shutter button with the swab on the sensor then you'd wreck the shutter.

b) I can imagine that the force of cleaning will significantly exceed the forces that the IBIS is designed to handle. I can't think of what the consequences might be, but I think it's best to avoid it.

c) When turned off, the sensor moves freely within physical limits. Careful cleaning doesn't move it much, if at all, so I think it's a safe operation.
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Re: Sensor Cleaning

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Re: Sensor Cleaning

Thanks to all replies. Monday, went into LCE (The Strand). As I had emailed before they knew why I was there and the fella behind the jump ADMITTTED he personally had switched to Oly MFT. Was this sales talk, I don't know. Looking through the ring light they use to illuminate the sensor, it was obvious that at least one Pizza dropping had fallen on it...Anyway by the end of the day all fixed.
His view was that sensors should be cleaned every 6 Months? Now is that Sales talk?
I do tend to change lenses frequently.
Any views on regularity of cleaning?
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Any views on regularity of cleaning?
When I used Nikon, I needed to clean the sensors quite often - every couple of months or so - but, after changing to Olympus, I have only had to use a blower brush very occasionally and never anything more rigorous than that.

Always take care when changing lenses. I try to hold the camera face down and avoid changing, if possible, in a hazardous environment - Pizza parlour, sandstorm, etc.
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Re: Sensor Cleaning

How long is a piece of string?

Clean when it takes too long to spot in PP. but how long is too long?
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Re: Sensor Cleaning

I do occasionally use a blower on the sensor, but feel that core of the camera needs leaving alone don't fix it if its not broke comes to mind.

Pizza, how did that get there................
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I do occasionally use a blower on the sensor, but feel that core of the camera needs leaving alone don't fix it if its not broke comes to mind.

Pizza, how did that get there................
Blowing is probably the worst thing you can do. You need to vacuum the dirt, not blow more in.
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Blowing is probably the worst thing you can do. You need to vacuum the dirt, not blow more in.
I disagree, Steve. We're talking about an amateur blowing with a rocket blower, of course, not your gob, and this should be the first step if the sensor 'cleaning mode' (depending on the camera manufacturer) hasn't worked.

I don't really know what you mean by a 'vacuum', but I can't see how it would do anything unless you touched the internals with a vacuuming implement, and with the blower you don't need to touch anything with anything if you do it carefully. So that should go first IMHO.

Useful podcast (and anyone who's ever owned one of those renowned dust magnets known as a Sony A7, A7R or A7S will know that their owners have a lot of experience dealing with dust bunnies):
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I disagree, Steve. We're talking about an amateur blowing with a rocket blower, of course, not your gob, and this should be the first step if the sensor 'cleaning mode' (depending on the camera manufacturer) hasn't worked.

I don't really know what you mean by a 'vacuum', but I can't see how it would do anything unless you touched the internals with a vacuuming implement, and with the blower you don't need to touch anything with anything if you do it carefully. So that should go first IMHO.

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Re: Sensor Cleaning

I used Blowers on DLSR’s. Chunky stuff that I believed wouldtake it. Don’t think I would try that on mirrorless. LCE guy opined thatmirrorless is far more sensitive and I would agree with that. Steve – you are right, but you do need to catchearly when there is a problem. I didn’t and as a result had to bin some stuff.
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