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The original was an idle "kitchen table" shot unintentionally in Vivid mode and obviously without any thought at all.
As an exercise to see what might be made of it, I rendered three versions. Comments, criticisms, edits all welcome.

EDIT: PLEASE NOTE THAT IN THREAD #3, AFTER RALPH'S COMMENT,
I HAVE POSTED THE BETTER XZ2 SHOT TAKEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER
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Re: Tina

Hi there Mark!

I think that number 3 looks best to me, the original and the first version look a little dark, and the second version looks a bit blue tinted to my (slightly defective) eyes. I think that in all of them there is a slight lack of overall sharpness, probably caused by the very long exposure - even if the camera stayed perfectly still the chances are that your subject may have moved slightly in that half second.

In all the versions you have done you have effectively removed the distractions from the frame, which certainly enhances the image.

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Re: Tina

Thanks for that summary Ralph and I agree with it all.

Now I've just realised that immediately after I took the above image with the XZ1, yesterday,
I then shot another with the XZ2 which I had forgotten about until just before you replied.
It is a much better image taken in Portrait mode and I did give more thought to the settings.
It was a 'kitchen table' shot over which I had no way to exclude the cluttered background, but here is my initial edit of it.

XZ2 portrait mode, 0.08'' sec, F/8, iso500, EV-0.7

There's still some clean up needed but this is a big improvement over the above. The camera was braced against a wall for support.
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Re: Tina

That confirms my immediate thoughts when I looked at your first four images: #2 is most natural. I would lighten the eyes a little, and enhance the catchlights slightly. The highlights are a bit burned out, though; maybe you can damp them down a bit by processing. I would also not increase saturation of the skin tones - it doesn't flatter her. With her hair colour, it would probably look better with a lighter background colour, too.
It's a nice portrait, a bit of careful processing would make it look great.
Hope that helps, Mark.
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Thanks Keith. Portraiture has never been my forte so I take all your advice onboard. I will enhance the eyes and lighten the background before I have it printed. the highlight on her nose is a worry, I can dampen it.
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Re: Tina

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You sell yourself short Mark, as you demonstrated with you painting of Sandra in another thread!

The picture on the xz-2 seems to have been taken in far better light - faster shutter, smaller aperture and lower iso. This certainly has helped the sharpness of the image.

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OK I do NOT like the blue background, far too cold and hard for this beautiful young lady.

I do like the V3 with the brown/tawny background, but to lighten a few stops so that the lovely hair is seen and flows

You already heard about the h'lite on the nose and I would add, can you sharpen the lips a bit - they need more definition and "local" colour increased a bit

Your Not a Portraiture Photographer .. darn it, now I need a Tena Lady I pimplol

Mark, you were a Wedding Tog PRO come on your secret is out with me (Ralph he was, honest mate )

I think it is a very nice, natural not false looking portrait, of an intelligent lady

Now Mark, please do not ask what a Tena is
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You sell yourself short Mark, as you demonstrated with you painting of Sandra in another thread!
The picture on the xz-2 seems to have been taken in far better light - faster shutter, smaller aperture and lower iso. This certainly has helped the sharpness of the image. Cheers, Ralph.
Thanks again, Ralph. Portrait painting and portrait photography at the technical level are quite different, the skill sets are not common to each medium. Certainly lighting may be relevant to portrait painting but not always (eg. Picasso!) With regard to settings, exif data below is revealed and shown to be taken about 40 minutes apart with no difference in the ambient indoor light. As stated, it was an idle kitchen table shot to which I gave next to no thought whatever, except to activate the power button. The purpose was basically to demonstrate to Tina how the XZs perform in low light sans flash.



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OK I do NOT like the blue background, far too cold and hard for this beautiful young lady. I do like the V3 with the brown/tawny background, but to lighten a few stops so that the lovely hair is seen and flows You already heard about the h'lite on the nose and I would add, can you sharpen the lips a bit - they need more definition and "local" colour increased a bit. Your Not a Portraiture Photographer .. darn it, now I need a Tena Lady I pimplol Mark, you were a Wedding Tog PRO come on your secret is out with me (Ralph he was, honest mate ) I think it is a very nice, natural not false looking portrait, of an intelligent lady Now Mark, please do not ask what a Tena is
Thank you Chevvy for an erudite critique backed by your highly respected artistic credentials. First the blue background; my thinking was to tone with her top and give emphasis to her skin tones - her favourite colour is blue. Would the brown tawny b/g of V3 work with the XZ2? - I will give it a try. I think your advice re. more definition and local colour of lips is good. I will implement those changes in my next edit and submit them for approval! Like yourself Tina is an intelligent and artistically gifted lady who makes exquisite jewellery but unfortunately is no business head like her dad. I believe she takes after her him whoever he might be And I do prefer naturalness of photo portraits over highly manipulated studio lighting and contrived poses. As a wedding toger my approach was photo-journalistic influenced by press photography. I shot 35mm Leica, it had not been done in the market I was operating in, leaving competitors shooting M/F somewhat agog over this upstart of the Fourth Estate! Two years later they had all adopted the 35mm format for weddings.

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... my thinking was to tone with her top and give emphasis to her skin tones - her favourite colour is blue.

ould the brown tawny b/g of V3 work with the XZ2? - I will give it a try. I think your advice re. more definition and local colour of lips is good. I will implement those changes in my next edit and submit them for approval!
I prefer naturalness of photo portraits over highly manipulated studio lighting and contrived poses.

As a wedding toger my approach was photo-journalistic influenced by press photography

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Mark, if you want the background to tone with the jumper, you could try a blue that's lighter than the jumper. Or even put a nice sky in!
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Thanks Keith.
I've followed Chevvy's tips and added a quirk of my own to arrive at this that I rather like.
Having spent the past three hours on it I am not likely to re edit!

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Very nice I'll give it fiive
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Very nice I'll give it fiive

Five out of what?



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oooh very classic schoolarly

Fiive out of Fiiive Janice Nicholls on Juke Box Jury oi'll give it fiive
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Ha, ha! Thanks Chevvy ... you wouldn't believe how classy the 12 x 16 print looks. Can't wait to see it on my bedroom wall.
Tina is Janette's and my eldest daughter. She saw it today and we went to the framers with it together. She doesn't say much but I think she's chuffed!
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