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Cold war, Hot jets

Anyone else watching this fascinating program ? Some fantastic footage of classic old jets.. fighters and bombers... Well done BBC.
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Re: Cold war, Hot jets

Yes I watched it.

I was a De-Havilland apprentice and worked a bit on the Goblin engines that powered the Vampire and Ghost that powered the Comet 1's and Venom fighters.

The Goblin engines had a long service life with air forces over the world and were overhauled near the end of their life by basically one fitter, who was the only one left that knew how to. When overhaul contracts dried up, many spare parts were buried in an extension to a cinder car park. Shortly after, the Indian Air Force placed an overhaul contract with the company, and the fitter needed to surreptitiously exhume some of the buried spares!

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Hi Jim,
My uncle used to fly Blackburn buccaneers and sea vixens.
I have a couple of his old photo albums which have all sorts of old jets.
I didn, realise what a fantastic looking plane the Victor bombers were till I watched this .

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My uncle used to fly Blackburn buccaneers.
DH made the Gyron Junior (PS43) engines for the Buccaneer. IIRC air was bled off the compressor to flow over the wings to provide better low speed handling of the A/C.

The burners were interesting. Instead of high pressure fuel being provided to a spray nozzle, a low pressure 'spill burner' system was used, similar to that used on the Ghost 50 in the Comet 1s. Each burner was like a shallow cup where fuel was injected at one side, swirled around to the other where it left to return to the fuel controller. Fuel was metered to the combustion chamber by restricting the return of the fuel, so it 'backed up' and spilled out of the injector. I did a course on the system <mumble, mumble> years ago, but I can't remember much more! I don't know if a similar system is used on gas turbines nowadays.

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IIRC air was bled off the compressor to flow over the wings to provide better low speed handling of the A/C

Hi jim,
you are correct about this.My uncle always used to tell how well the buccaneer flew at ultra low level.they regularly flew exercise sorties below 100 feet over the sea.
If you asked a buccaneer pilot what would be the best replacement for a buccaneer....they would say another buccaneer !








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Re: Cold war, Hot jets

@ #1 Thanks for the reminder... had wanted to watch this but got side-tracked. Now downloading from BBC iPlayer.
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@ #1 Thanks for the reminder... had wanted to watch this but got side-tracked. Now downloading from BBC iPlayer.
Hi Wally,
You will enjoy this if you are interested in older jets.....some great footage of these great machines.


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Re: Cold war, Hot jets

Great programme, we haven't finished watching it yet.
My wife's uncle flew MIGs in the ... what ... sixties? Seventies?
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Re: Cold war, Hot jets

Just watched this programme, excellent with some great footage, I love the whistling sound that early jets made. The Hawk is probably the only modernish one that sounds like that now. There was a Vampire at Leuchars this year and I saw a Meteor last year both fantastic aircraft. Looking forward to the next one about the V Force.
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Re: Cold war, Hot jets

I remember most of these when they were in service. Shows, my age. While motorcycling I was once passed in a valley in the North Yorks Moors by a German Starfighter, I was half way up the valley side and he was lower than me! I thought the end of the world had come it was so loud!

Britian built some lovely looking Aircraft back then, the Hunter was the best looking jet ever in my opinion and the Lightning is still a thing of awe and wonder. Sad that they were all warplanes but good that the ultimate war of nuclear destruction didn't happen!
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Just watched this programme, excellent with some great footage, I love the whistling sound that early jets made.
I think it was the centrifugal compressors used on the earlier jets, that were responsible for the whistle . Goblins on the Vampire and Ghosts on the Venom were centrifugal. Centrifugal compressor stages are still used on some engines, but only as a second stage - the first stage being axial.

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@ Phil Angel - I was fortunate enough to have flown in a Javelin whilst serving in the RAF in the Far East in the 60's, a Hunter and a Lightning in the 70's whilst on secondment in Kuwait. All three 'jollies' I hasten to add were as a 'passenger'... still, not to be sniffed at. Also had a go in the Kuwait Air Force Lightning simulator which, in itself, was a fantastic experience.

As I started my RAF service in Bomber Command, I'm looking forward very much to the second part - the V Force. When you see the size of the 'stand-off missile' it will make you wonder how the aircraft were able to take-off. Somewhere I have a photo of a Vulcan with the Blue Steel stand-off missile sitting alongside. Will try to find it and post on this thread ASAP.



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Re: Cold war, Hot jets

Hi Wally,
I to am looking foreward to the second installment of thiis excellent program.
I hope they show the B.A.C TSR2.....probably the greatest aircraft never to go into production
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I to am looking foreward to the second installment of thiis excellent program.
I hope they show the B.A.C TSR2.....probably the greatest aircraft never to go into production
Totally agree, the thing was beautiful in the extreme and damn fast!
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Come fly with me... The Pathé News from when I were an AC plonk / lad.
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