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EXIF problems on E-Group Challenge entries

So far all the entries I have received for the 5th E-Group Challenge have been rejected because they have no EXIF data so here are a few pointers for you.

If you are using Photoshop don't use Save for Web what you need to do is resize the image, Image / Image Size and set the pixels to 800 for the longest dimension. Then you need to use save as, File / Save As and remember to save it under a different name to stop you overwriting the original image.

If you are exporting from Lightroom to Photoshop do not tick the minimize meta data button.

If you are using a Mac and have Mail set to include the picture in the message this can also strip the EXIF data. You need to put the picture in a folder and attach the folder to be sure of preserving the EXIF file.

If any other members have any hints please add them to the thread.

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Re: EXIF problems on E-Group Challenge entries

If anyone has continuing problems with exif data, I'd like to volunteer to help - please get in touch

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Re: EXIF problems on E-Group Challenge entries

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So far all the entries I have received for the 5th E-Group Challenge have been rejected because they have no EXIF data so here are a few pointers for you.

If you are using Photoshop don't use Save for Web what you need to do is resize the image, Image / Image Size and set the pixels to 800 for the longest dimension. Then you need to use save as, File / Save As and remember to save it under a different name to stop you overwriting the original image.

If you are exporting from Lightroom to Photoshop do not tick the minimize meta data button.

If you are using a Mac and have Mail set to include the picture in the message this can also strip the EXIF data. You need to put the picture in a folder and attach the folder to be sure of preserving the EXIF file.

If any other members have any hints please add them to the thread.

Ian C.
I'm pleased this thread has been started as I am hopeful that a fellow Elements 5 user can explain to me/others how to save an image of say 800 on the longest side and approx 200Kb please as the suggestions above don't work.

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Re: EXIF problems on E-Group Challenge entries

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I'm pleased this thread has been started as I am hopeful that a fellow Elements 5 user can explain to me/others how to save an image of say 800 on the longest side and approx 200Kb please as the suggestions above don't work.

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Barrie,

Image > Resize>Image Resize.

Now in this order

1- make sure the constrain proportions and Resize box are ticked.

2-Change the resolution to 72ppi.

3- under pixel dimensions change the width to 800 pixels.

4- Ok it and save under a different name, by moving the slider in the save box it alters the size (kb) of the file and displays the new size after you move it before saving.
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I'm pleased this thread has been started as I am hopeful that a fellow Elements 5 user can explain to me/others how to save an image of say 800 on the longest side and approx 200Kb please as the suggestions above don't work.

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I think I have Elements 5 here - maybe it's a peculiarity of that version? Actually on version 6 now.

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Re: EXIF problems on E-Group Challenge entries

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Barrie,

Image > Resize>Image Resize.

Now in this order

1- make sure the constrain proportions and Resize box are ticked.

2-Change the resolution to 72ppi.

3- under pixel dimensions change the width to 800 pixels.

4- Ok it and save under a different name, by moving the slider in the save box it alters the size (kb) of the file and displays the new size after you move it before saving.
Thanks Paul -

I have tried every which way over such a period of time that I have not only lost most of my hair, what's left has gone grey.

When carrying out your suggestion (which as I have said I have tried in the past) one is left with an image of 720 on the long side and an image of 454Kb.

As Ian has said it is a possibly a peculiarity to Elements 5.

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Re: EXIF problems on E-Group Challenge entries

Barr1e - if it's any consolation (not a lot I suspect!), I could never get Elements to resize sensibly when I played with it.

I just tried it in IrfanView - works a treat as far as I can tell. Choose Resize/Resample on the Image menu. Set the width to 800 pixels and make sure "Preserve Aspect Ratio" is ticked. When it's the size you want, select "Save As" and save as a JPG. You will have to adjust the quality slider in the dialog. Sadly it doesn't tell you how big the saved JPG file will be, so you may have to experiment and save it a few times until it's about right.

EXIF info is preserved by default.

And it's free! If you don't have it already, see http://www.irfanview.net/

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Re: EXIF problems on E-Group Challenge entries

Faststone (also free) provides the "resize based on longest size" Also it's free like Irvanview. Also it doesn't b****er about with EXIF like a certain software vendor's product

Paintshop pro provides reliable resizing and doesn't mess with your EXIF other than adding the software tag.

Imatch pro provides reliable resizing and doesn't mess with your EXIF at all.

In other words IMHO stop trying to work around the limitations and find another software vendor - why do they think they know best - I like software that does as it's told - not the other way around !

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Re: EXIF problems on E-Group Challenge entries

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Barr1e - if it's any consolation (not a lot I suspect!), I could never get Elements to resize sensibly when I played with it.

I just tried it in IrfanView - works a treat as far as I can tell. Choose Resize/Resample on the Image menu. Set the width to 800 pixels and make sure "Preserve Aspect Ratio" is ticked. When it's the size you want, select "Save As" and save as a JPG. You will have to adjust the quality slider in the dialog. Sadly it doesn't tell you how big the saved JPG file will be, so you may have to experiment and save it a few times until it's about right.

EXIF info is preserved by default.

And it's free! If you don't have it already, see http://www.irfanview.net/

HTH
Thanks Steve -

I have looked at Irfanview some time back - maybe I'll look again. I've asked Anne to buy me a Euro lottery ticket and if I win the 45m this week I'll buy Adobe and get somene to fix the program.

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Faststone (also free) provides the "resize based on longest size" Also it's free like Irvanview. Also it doesn't b****er about with EXIF like a certain software vendor's product

Paintshop pro provides reliable resizing and doesn't mess with your EXIF other than adding the software tag.

Imatch pro provides reliable resizing and doesn't mess with your EXIF at all.

In other words IMHO stop trying to work around the limitations and find another software vendor - why do they think they know best - I like software that does as it's told - not the other way around !

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Hi Andy -

Thanks, It's surprising but I do like Elements 5. I suppose I find it uncrowded and possibly got so used to going through a certain routine to get my pix to pop I have got lazy - coupled with the fact CS3 is so expensive. I would rather upgrade to the E-3 first before spending on the ultimate p+p ware.

However, I agree with what you are saying.

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Hi Andy -

Thanks, It's surprising but I do like Elements 5. I suppose I find it uncrowded and possibly got so used to going through a certain routine to get my pix to pop I have got lazy - coupled with the fact CS3 is so expensive. I would rather upgrade to the E-3 first before spending on the ultimate p+p ware.

However, I agree with what you are saying.

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Hi Barrie,

Although I now use Elements 6, I still have Elements 5 on my computer so I've resized following exactly the instructions given by Paul S. If successful, you should see the following image (taken last week in Norfolk) sized at 800 x 600 pixels at 72 pixels per inch, hopefully with the Exif data intact. This was from a full frame uncropped SHQ jpeg.



Now, let's see if it's worked!

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Hi Barrie,

Although I now use Elements 6, I still have Elements 5 on my computer so I've resized following exactly the instructions given by Paul S. If successful, you should see the following image (taken last week in Norfolk) sized at 800 x 600 pixels at 72 pixels per inch, hopefully with the Exif data intact. This was from a full frame uncropped SHQ jpeg.



Now, let's see if it's worked!

Regards,

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Yes, everything is normal, including the exif data.

So one can only presume that there is a setting in Barr1e's installation of Elements 5 which is messing with the exif retention...

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Re: EXIF problems on E-Group Challenge entries

Well, the image size is O.K. @ 800 x 600 pixels, but right clicking on the image and selecting "properties" reveals precious little additional info; the Exif seems to have been lost in the process. I'm now going to try the same with Elements 6.

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Yes, everything is normal, including the exif data.

So one can only presume that there is a setting in Barr1e's installation of Elements 5 which is messing with the exif retention...

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How did you check the Exif data, I couldn't seem to get it to display?

Thanks,

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How did you check the Exif data, I couldn't seem to get it to display?

Thanks,

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It's in Phil's gallery. Click on the exif icon and the exif data shows up below

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