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Is this picture too simple and lacking interest? I like simplicity but I am my worst critic. I find it so very difficult to critique pictures with any insight, especially my own.
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Re: Enclosure

I'm no expert so you may want to take my comments with a pinch of salt.

To me the image is not too simple but in fact two images in one. From the title the enclosure wall is the subject which is fine but in this case the very nice view in the background becomes a distraction from the wall which is very strong in the foreground. I would make two images of this shot. To match the title I would crop the top of the image to remove the background which leaves a very nice detailed image of the structure and its immediate surroundings. For the second image I would crop the bottom of the image to remove the nearest (low) section of the wall which will make the remaining parts of the wall into a kind of leading line to lead your eyes to the view of the distant hills.

Just my personal perception.

On a technical point the image (like many of the excellent shots in your gallery) is too large to display within the frame of the forum and cannot be viewed without scrolling. As a rule of thumb images need to be resized to be not more than 800 pixels high to be viewed comfortably and in fact if they are bigger than this the forum software does some arbtrary re-scaling which can degrade the image quality.

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Re: Enclosure

Some further personal thoughts:

I really like the contrast in texture between the wall and the stiff grass/rushes. This does contribute to the lower 2/3 working quite well alone, although for me it would be stronger with light from a lower sun highlighting the textures. It would work quite well as part of a set illustrating the enclosure.

With the mountains and sky in place, ones eye follows round the curve of the enclosure then is dumped out to the far right. It would work better for me from a viewpoint where it led the eye towards the hills, or perhaps had a significant gap from where the eye could rise to them.

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Jeff, do you mind if I post an edited version of your picture?
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I'm no expert so you may want to take my comments with a pinch of salt.

To me the image is not too simple but in fact two images in one. From the title the enclosure wall is the subject which is fine but in this case the very nice view in the background becomes a distraction from the wall which is very strong in the foreground. I would make two images of this shot. To match the title I would crop the top of the image to remove the background which leaves a very nice detailed image of the structure and its immediate surroundings. For the second image I would crop the bottom of the image to remove the nearest (low) section of the wall which will make the remaining parts of the wall into a kind of leading line to lead your eyes to the view of the distant hills.

Just my personal perception.


On a technical point the image (like many of the excellent shots in your gallery) is too large to display within the frame of the forum and cannot be viewed without scrolling. As a rule of thumb images need to be resized to be not more than 800 pixels high to be viewed comfortably and in fact if they are bigger than this the forum software does some arbtrary re-scaling which can degrade the image quality.

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I see your point. I was trying to put the enclosure in context ie a remnant of agriculture as it was in remote Pennine moors in the nineteenth and early twentieth century. A confusion of social history and pictorial I guess.
I'll revise my resizing as advised.
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PS The photo was taken as part of an exercise to take a record photo from every intersection of OS map 1 kilometre grid lines in the Yorkshire Dales National Park. My part was to the East and North of Sedburgh and across to Garsdale. The weather was generally very benign - most unusual.
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Jeff, do you mind if I post an edited version of your picture?
Not at all. I look forward to seeing what you make of it.
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Some further personal thoughts:

I really like the contrast in texture between the wall and the stiff grass/rushes. This does contribute to the lower 2/3 working quite well alone, although for me it would be stronger with light from a lower sun highlighting the textures. It would work quite well as part of a set illustrating the enclosure.

With the mountains and sky in place, ones eye follows round the curve of the enclosure then is dumped out to the far right. It would work better for me from a viewpoint where it led the eye towards the hills, or perhaps had a significant gap from where the eye could rise to them.

Hope that helps!
Yes. That is useful commentary. I agree about the lighting but my excuse was that I had to take a series of photos over an extensive area At specific but arbitrary locations !
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PS The photo was taken as part of an exercise to take a record photo from every intersection of OS map 1 kilometre grid lines in the Yorkshire Dales National Park. My part was to the East and North of Sedburgh and across to Garsdale. The weather was generally very benign - most unusual.
Excellent - a man needs a project (as my wife tells me when she's trying to get me out from under her feet).
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PS The photo was taken as part of an exercise to take a record photo from every intersection of OS map 1 kilometre grid lines in the Yorkshire Dales National Park. My part was to the East and North of Sedburgh and across to Garsdale. The weather was generally very benign - most unusual.
That sounds like a really interesting project, and I can see why you took it as you did. Good luck with it all, I will be very interested to see the results.

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That sounds like a really interesting project...
It does: I'm just completing my most recent project and I'll be looking for another, so inspiration will be helpful.

When it's complete in a week or two's time I'll post a link to the website where I'm showing the results, and I'll also ask everyone to post ideas for projects they've done or thought of. I suspect quite a few of us will find that useful.
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Excellent - a man needs a project (as my wife tells me when she's trying to get me out from under her feet).
That project is finished.
The next one is to produce around 35 mounted and framed prints for sale, and mat and frame the same number of my wife's paintings for sale in November at the Avant Garden centre gallery. A vanity project I guess but as you say we all need a project - especially when retired from paid work.
The next one might be an exploration of the Thames. My son lives near the Thames in Berkshire and I enjoy exploring both the history and visual qualities of the river and surroundings, which are so very different to the NW of England. But on the other hand the beautiful Chiltern hills and valleys could make a good panel.
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That sounds like a really interesting project, and I can see why you took it as you did. Good luck with it all, I will be very interested to see the results.

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See http://www.tom-marsh.co.uk/grid-project.html.
I did two areas as a project for my interest. I will be interested to see how it all works out.
In retrospect I think it is a clever marketing ploy by the organiser. I was foolish enough to think the project had the backing of the National Park but having said that it got me out to areas I did not know except I had stayed at Tarn a couple of times with an art group.
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Thanks Jeff. I love the Dales and don't get there nearly often enough, so I'll look forward to seeing the archive when it's got a bit more on it.

One idea I was toying with was to do some sort of photo archive of things in my home city - Salisbury. Places of worship was one - it turns out there are loads of them and for a city this size it would be a tall order and probably need some proper project management.

Another one is just taking shape. I have a vague memory of seeing a series of photos by the great Italian photographer Gabriele Basilico showing all of the approaches to Turin. It was a photo at the city boundary on each of the roads as it enters the city. I think this would be a bit more manageable, and give some ideas for themes, emphasis and interpretation. The main problem is deciding where the city begins and ends!

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Re: Enclosure

The enclosure provides good foreground interest and, initially at least, it also acts as a strong leading line, drawing the viewer's eye into the scene and making the link with the distant hills. However, as others have already said, there is a problem with it when the wall veers right near its end, potentially leading the eye out of the picture instead of making that all important link with the background. It's not a bad composition by any means, just not quite as good as it might have been but that is the challenge of landscape photography - absolute perfection is very rarely achieved. I still like it and it's definitely a keeper.

It still needs some work though, as the highlights lack definition and contrast, so I have edited it in Elements 10 to show what I think is an improvement. First I tried Auto Smart Fix, which rather surprisingly I often find does fix many issues with a single click. However, in this case I didn't feel it had gone quite far enough, so I made a selection of the background hills and sky and darkened highlights by 12%. I then inverted the selection and darkened the foreground highlights by 5%. Next I returned to the whole image and increased contrast by 10%. Note that these are all fairly minor adjustments, the trick is to not be too bold with the editing. Finally I resized to 864 x 648 pixels, which is a much better fit for most computer screens, and slightly sharpened. I have posted the result below, together with the resized only original for side to side comparison. What do you think? You might not like my edit of course, at the end of the day it's all down to personal preference!

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Thanks for considered reply.
I see your point. I was trying to put the enclosure in context ie a remnant of agriculture as it was in remote Pennine moors in the nineteenth and early twentieth century. A confusion of social history and pictorial I guess.
I'll revise my resizing as advised.
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Thanks for that, understanding the context in which the photo was taken explains why you did it the way you did. I was looking at it from the point of view of the aesthetics of the image (photography as art) rather than recording the scene with an historical context.

I think John's edit works well as to me it makes the distant landscape more part of the scene rather than a slightly hazy distraction in the background.
I still think it may be also possible to get two additional images from the shot which will stand on their own in terms of aesthetics which would be a bonus. I'll have a go later.

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