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Re: Enclosure

It sounds like a very interesting project!

As for this image;

I did not need to scroll this on my 1920 wide monitor and have seen bigger (well wider) on the forum but with Peter agree that 1024x768 (so keeping around the 800 pixel vertival resolutuion) makes good sense unless you are posting a letterbox panaorama.

I thought the hills in the background needed a bit more clarity and/or saturation which John has done admirably and the rest of the picture does benefit from a bit more contrast. I do like the composition and the context of the enclosure in the landscape. I would only change it if there was a bit more wall to the right that could be included by going a bit wider.
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Re: Enclosure

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The enclosure provides good foreground interest and, initially at least, it also acts as a strong leading line, drawing the viewer's eye into the scene and making the link with the distant hills. However, as others have already said, there is a problem with it when the wall veers right near its end, potentially leading the eye out of the picture instead of making that all important link with the background. It's not a bad composition by any means, just not quite as good as it might have been but that is the challenge of landscape photography - absolute perfection is very rarely achieved. I still like it and it's definitely a keeper.

It still needs some work though, as the highlights lack definition and contrast, so I have edited it in Elements 10 to show what I think is an improvement. First I tried Auto Smart Fix, which rather surprisingly I often find does fix many issues with a single click. However, in this case I didn't feel it had gone quite far enough, so I made a selection of the background hills and sky and darkened highlights by 12%. I then inverted the selection and darkened the foreground highlights by 5%. Next I returned to the whole image and increased contrast by 10%. Note that these are all fairly minor adjustments, the trick is to not be too bold with the editing. Finally I resized to 864 x 648 pixels, which is a much better fit for most computer screens, and slightly sharpened. I have posted the result below, together with the resized only original for side to side comparison. What do you think? You might not like my edit of course, at the end of the day it's all down to personal preference!

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Thanks for taking the trouble.
Certainly more crisp than mine and stronger.
Not sure about the hills being brought forward by increased contrast and definition. I think the aerial perspective on mine is more realistic and how I saw it.
I guess I should have sharpened it for screen. I usually process for printing with LR doing the output sharpening.
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I usually only use PSE for resizing after processing in LR.
It is good to see that a handheld kit lens shot can be sharp.��
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Re: Enclosure

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It sounds like a very interesting project!

As for this image;

I did not need to scroll this on my 1920 wide monitor and have seen bigger (well wider) on the forum but with Peter agree that 1024x768 (so keeping around the 800 pixel vertival resolutuion) makes good sense unless you are posting a letterbox panaorama.

I thought the hills in the background needed a bit more clarity and/or saturation which John has done admirably and the rest of the picture does benefit from a bit more contrast. I do like the composition and the context of the enclosure in the landscape. I would only change it if there was a bit more wall to the right that could be included by going a bit wider.
Thanks for comments.
Please see comments about the altered image.
Seems I need to sharpen up but I'm a bit bothered about making sharpening artefacts.
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Thanks for taking the trouble.
Certainly more crisp than mine and stronger.
Not sure about the hills being brought forward by increased contrast and definition. I think the aerial perspective on mine is more realistic and how I saw it.
I guess I should have sharpened it for screen. I usually process for printing with LR doing the output sharpening.
Jeff
I usually only use PSE for resizing after processing in LR.
It is good to see that a handheld kit lens shot can be sharp.��
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As I say, post processing is all a matter of personal taste, the important thing is to get a result that you like. Sharpening is also a matter of taste but I find it best to do it subtly in small amounts, a little goes a long way.
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Re: Enclosure

As promised (threatened ) in my earlier post I've created two more "images" from your original shot. It's actually a game I play sometimes on my own shots to see how many different images I can wring out of one shot, sad I know.

I used DxO Optics Pro for the processing and used Micro Contrast rather than sharpening and applied the Haze filter. For the sake of completeness I also applied the same processing to your original composition which turns out quite similar to john's version with PSE.

I appreciate now this is not what you were lookng for but your fascinating project and photo inspired me to have a go.












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Thanks to everyone for helpful posts. I am relieved that posts were constructive.
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Re: Enclosure

Great shot but there is something blue behind the wall that does not look natural..maybe photoshop it out.
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Great shot but there is something blue behind the wall that does not look natural..maybe photoshop it out.
I assumed it was a white flower/seed head/cotton grass similar to the one in the middle of the enclosure, but blue because it is in shade.
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doesds not matter if its natural or not ..still looks llike a folded blue tarp ..could not zoom in to check ..personally I would take it out as it pulls the eye
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Re: Enclosure

It appears to be a small stream that meanders through a boggy area behind the wall, blue because it is reflecting the blue sky.

To zoom in press and hold CTRL and repeatedly press +. To zoom out hold CTRL and press -. To return to normal hold CTRL and press 0, simples.
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Or..... just press and hold CTRL and use the mouse wheel

You're correct Peter it does look like a small stream, in which case, IMHO it should be left in the photo.

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I thought the blue reference was to the small bit of blue just behind the wall in the medium foreground. The other blue further back is indeed water. It was a boggy area where I had to be careful where to stand.
I feel an urge to return and look for pictures to take rather than an images from precise grid references.
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I am surprised that my rather mundane picture has generated interest and I am grateful for the revisions/improvements people have been bothered to take the time do.
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I am surprised that my rather mundane picture has generated interest and I am grateful for the revisions/improvements people have been bothered to take the time do.
Jeff
It illustrates that proper constructive criticism of images is fun and educative for all involved.
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Re: Enclosure

I always like the feeling of wide open spaces, which this photograph captures well. That said I do prefer John's edited version.

The differences are subtle, but I find that my eye is drawn to the mountains in the distance, whereas the original somehow drew my eye to the pile of stones comprising the wall at the bottom left, and little further.

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Thanks for thoughts.
The subject was the pile of stones thatsed to be some sort of enclosure in a remote location. Having sharp contrasts hills in the distance brings them forward and makes the picture more of a landscape shot.
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