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Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

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When in process of updating LR to be able to process G9 RW2 files I noticed that Adobe have declared that this will be the last version (unless you subscribe to CC, which I don't). I will hopefully "survive" for some time as the latest/last version of LR supports the RAW formats that I have in my library, however mid/long term I will probably have to do something about this.

What are the options, apart from having to subscribe to CC? Are there any alternatives to LR? Development settings and metadata/tags need to be preserved either importing the LR library and/or the sidecar files with metadata. My library contains 50k+ photos, all with precious user defined tags and development settings.

I should perhaps mention I, previous to LR, used DXO however dropped it as I disliked their licensing policy (they were forcing me to buy a Pro license to read E5 RAW files). Meaning I am not to eager to spend more money on their products.

Or should I concede and accept being billed monthly?

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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

Just concede Tord. A few points:

- Software is expensive to develop. The market is littered with companies that went bust.

- If we want continuity then we need to make sure the provider can make money from it.

- Ongoing updates (new cameras, new features etc) are necessary and desirable.

- £10 a month is in reality not expensive. A few cups of Starbucks and certainly cheaper than film and processing.

- For the £10 you also get Photoshop, cloud storage, portfolio software a few other things.
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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

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Just concede Tord. A few points:

- Software is expensive to develop. The market is littered with companies that went bust.

- If we want continuity then we need to make sure the provider can make money from it.

- Ongoing updates (new cameras, new features etc) are necessary and desirable.

- £10 a month is in reality not expensive. A few cups of Starbucks and certainly cheaper than film and processing.

- For the £10 you also get Photoshop, cloud storage, portfolio software a few other things.

I agree with this
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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

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Just concede Tord. A few points:

- £10 a month is in reality not expensive... and certainly cheaper than film and processing.
= approx 1 roll of HP5 and lab processing, that's 36 shots a month and you can use any old s/w going, complete with DAM. That's my average over 12 months, more in spring, summer and autumn, less in winter.
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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

Yes, I also agree. About three pints of beer per month!!
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Yes, I also agree. About three pints of beer per month!!
Where's your pub? Where I live a pint costs well over £4

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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

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Just concede Tord. A few points:

- Software is expensive to develop. The market is littered with companies that went bust.

- If we want continuity then we need to make sure the provider can make money from it.

- Ongoing updates (new cameras, new features etc) are necessary and desirable.

- £10 a month is in reality not expensive. A few cups of Starbucks and certainly cheaper than film and processing.

- For the £10 you also get Photoshop, cloud storage, portfolio software a few other things.
It isn't the monthly cost that's a problem for me (at the moment) but the fact that once you stop subscribing you no longer have the software. I have just bought an m10 III which is not supported by my standalone version of LR so looking at ACDSee which seems to provide everything LR does.

Or I just forget about RAW and stick with JPEG files.
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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

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It isn't the monthly cost that's a problem for me (at the moment) but the fact that once you stop subscribing you no longer have the software. I have just bought an m10 III which is not supported by my standalone version of LR so looking at ACDSee which seems to provide everything LR does.

Or I just forget about RAW and stick with JPEG files.

Lightroom 6.13 supports the E-M10iii and is non subscription.
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjour...available.html

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The goal of this release is to provide perpetual customers additional camera raw support, lens profile support and address bugs that were introduced in previous releases of Lightroom
Might be worth running the updater if you're on the final v6 lightroom?


I wonder if an E-M10iii ORF file EXIF can be fiddled to masquerade as an E-M10ii file?
The sensors are the same, not sure what else might be in there - Exif Tool can do batch conversion IIRC.
I can't imagine anyone doing the DNG conversion route on a regular basis but that's always possible too.

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Lightroom 6.13...
6.14 is the final release.
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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

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6.14 is the final release.
Sure, I googled support for the E-M10 iii and that page came up.


The post about 6.14 isn't as helpful as it doesn't specify which cameras and lenses were added in that final update.



Filtering this list shows the 10iii was the last Olympus camera added before they stopped updating the standalone

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/k...d-cameras.html
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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

[quote=AMc;485130]Lightroom 6.13 supports the E-M10iii and is non subscription.


[quote]The goal of this release is to provide perpetual customers additional camera raw support, lens profile support and address bugs that were introduced in previous releases of Lightroom
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Might be worth running the updater if you're on the final v6 lightroom?


I wonder if an E-M10iii ORF file EXIF can be fiddled to masquerade as an E-M10ii file?
The sensors are the same, not sure what else might be in there - Exif Tool can do batch conversion IIRC.
I can't imagine anyone doing the DNG conversion route on a regular basis but that's always possible too.
Thanks for that link, it allowed me to download a later version which does indeed support the m10 III, trying to update from lightroom had failed earlier.
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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

I bought the last standalone LR. It supports my current cameras but as I know it won’t forever I’m not investing much energy in the asset management features.
I appreciate that the CC plan is good value for money if you use it frequently but for me it doesn’t make financial sense.
I’d also suggest you look closely at the pricing which last time I looked was an annual contract billed monthly. A friend discovered that when he tried to save a few quid by cancelling for a couple of months and was presented with a bill for half a years use and his software inactivated. It was resolved in the end but it isn’t or wasn’t a monthly contract.

As far as alternatives go DXO is supposed to be good but you’ve been there already. I read about Darktable but haven’t tried it myself.
There are various freebie versions or trials of most prouducts.

Olympus have just launched A new free product but I’ve not looked at it from asset management myself. It seemed a better processing package but not really on a par with LR.

As others have said software development is expensive so youll have to pay one way or another if you want the latest and greatest features.
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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

Until 2009 I did all my post processing on an old version of Photoshop.

Then I bought an EP-1, and found that the only way I could deal with the *.ORF files was to buy Lightroom 3. The old Photoshop could handle the *.ORF files from my E5 and E620. I thought ORF meant ORF, but it did not. Converting the files to DNG did not help either. With nearly 10 years of experience of Lightroom, and processing about 100 images a month, I am used to LR, but really I am committed to it because of the cataloguing system, which would be hard to replace.

I was forced on to Adobe CC a few months ago, and while I manage well enough with it, it is far from trouble free. For example after one update the CC Photoshop refused to connect to my printer. I fixed this by deleting PS 2018 and installing Ps 2017 instead, which works OK.

It has to work for me, but I cannot recommend it as the frequent updates are generally more trouble than they are worth. New CC updates only work with the latest computer operating system, so you may have to update that as well.

I do not think anyone has mentioned Affinity on this thread:

https://www.google.com/search?q=affi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

I have no personal experience of it, but it is not too expensive and may be worth a try.
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Until 2009 I did all my post processing on an old version of Photoshop.

Then I bought an EP-1, and found that the only way I could deal with the *.ORF files was to buy Lightroom 3. The old Photoshop could handle the *.ORF files from my E5 and E620. I thought ORF meant ORF, but it did not. Converting the files to DNG did not help either. With nearly 10 years of experience of Lightroom, and processing about 100 images a month, I am used to LR, but really I am committed to it because of the cataloguing system, which would be hard to replace.

I was forced on to Adobe CC a few months ago, and while I manage well enough with it, it is far from trouble free. For example after one update the CC Photoshop refused to connect to my printer. I fixed this by deleting PS 2018 and installing Ps 2017 instead, which works OK.

It has to work for me, but I cannot recommend it as the frequent updates are generally more trouble than they are worth. New CC updates only work with the latest computer operating system, so you may have to update that as well.

I do not think anyone has mentioned Affinity on this thread:

https://www.google.com/search?q=affi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

I have no personal experience of it, but it is not too expensive and may be worth a try.
Free DNG converter converts raw files to DNG format which can be used on old LR or PS versions. I use it. A bit of a faff but it works.
I have bought Affinity with, so far, free updates but will that be the case when version 2 arrives ? Seems very powerful but full of features I shall never use.
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Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?

For what it’s worth. I browsed a copy of Amateur Photographer yesterday and Affinity Photo is their Product of the Year. I use Affinity after years with Photoshop, it’s more than good enough for me. Serif seem to be a vigorous company launching many of their products for iPad and I understand an update to Affinity Photo is in beta development and if history is anything to go by, will be free.

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