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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

How on earth did a thread on Gateway Time-out problems become diverted into one complaining about censorship??

I really would urge folks to think carefully before they criticise others, including the site's admin assistants, who are all unpaid volunteers; hopefully trying to keep the place family friendly, whilst still available for off-topic discussion, and free of conflict by encouraging respectful behaviour between contributors.

To keep on-topic for the title of this thread, I don't think I've never experienced any time-out errors at all, even on the Brexit thread, where some of my contributions took well over an hour to compose and review.

For what it's worth, I'm connected via Plusnet, Win10, normally using Opera as a web browser.
The one thing I do have to be careful about is, since I have Mouse Gestures enabled in Opera, it's easy to accidentally go back a page, thus removing my partly completed post. As mentioned above [Control] A - [Control] C helps me regain my composure.

Regarding DNS, I've moved away from the default DNS and use 9.9.9.9 as per Quad9
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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

I've never had a problem but others have, maybe my fingers move a bit faster , but i don't have the problems mentioned here.

As to the points about censorship etc, I must agree with Paul here, we all have our own opinions on things be it political or other wise and if it turns into spiteful comments then that's the time to draw a line under it. I haven't missed the 'Brexit' debate at all now as it was becoming a you against me situation and a bit boring TBH, not really why I joined a photography site at all, there are plenty of other places where it can be discussed and argued over.

I like to think that the members on here can retain their sense of humour and knowledge of photography that has prevailed ever since I joined and perhaps leave the heated stuff for other sites.

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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

I think this Gateway Timeout problem needs flagging to Ian, so I'll do just that.
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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

First of all, the site loads normally most of the time, but I have noticed an increasing number of short outages in the logs and occasionally, when I am on the site - I will seek some advice on this from our hosting company. Thank you for your patience.

Regarding the moderating of the site and in reference to the threads about politics -our decisions are nothing to do with any bias - we simply react when personal abuse and disrespect get out of hand - regardless of the political 'side'.

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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

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First of all, the site loads normally most of the time, but I have noticed an increasing number of short outages in the logs and occasionally, when I am on the site - I will seek some advice on this from our hosting company. Thank you for your patience.

Regarding the moderating of the site and in reference to the threads about politics -our decisions are nothing to do with any bias - we simply react when personal abuse and disrespect get out of hand - regardless of the political 'side'.

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As previously stated, yesterday this site and the other 2 sites were very badly affected. It's not just when initially loading the site the Timeout occurs, it can be at any point a page refresh or page change is required. In addition, pages were taking between 20 - 30 secs to load on every occasion. This happened till around 10 pm when it suddenly cleared.

Today all is well again with pages loading in less than a second and no Timeout notices.

This was experienced yesterday despite using several different browsers ( Opera, Firefox, MS Edge, Internet Explorer. All cookies and history cleared several times and re-boots performed, all to no avail. Every other site visited worked perfectly with no problems or delay in page changes. Opera, my browser of choice, does have some glitches and weird responses on occasion which is what prompted me to attempt to isolate the problem using other browsers and cookie clearances.

The problem is not a constant one, more intermittent. It has however been occurring on these 3 fora since I joined 6 months ago. Whilst some have never experienced the problems others have, so it is not limited to local setup or usages.

I have no idea if this problem has previously been officially flagged to Ian but I do know several posts have highlighted it over the past months and maybe not picked up by Admin. It's not extremely important or life changing but certainly a very frustrating occurrence when it does happen.

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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

I count my blessings really, as I have not encountered any Gateway problems. Hopefully these issues can be sorted out. In regard to censorship or political discussions, is there any mileage in raising these things in a separate thread?


In my UK car club forum, politics is banned. People's feelings got hurt from nasty acidic personal comments, some members actually left because of it. Since then, the Political Diehards in the club try to resurrect Brexit and each time they do, the discussion is immediately closed. The forum remains successful with new members joining every day. Because we can't discuss politics, this has not put a downer on the forum. I have said my piece, for it is worth
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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

Our hosting company has been looking into this since the morning but I haven't yet had any feedback. I'll chase them up.

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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

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How on earth did a thread on Gateway Time-out problems become diverted into one complaining about censorship??
.... Because maintaining the site and paying an IT specialist costs money. You may recall an appeal a few months ago for financial contributions which many of us responded to?

That changes things in my view because with payment, even if only a voluntary donation, there comes a reasonable expectation of having some say in what we can and cannot discuss. I believe there is also a reasonable expectation that having made a financial contribution, and having that contribution accepted, that one is not then expelled for making the wrong arguments as has happened in recent times.

As I said yesterday I feel that the Lounge in particular is becoming rather sterile owing to censorship and the fear of saying the wrong thing.


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What evidence do you have for that?
Just read the "Millenial Snowflake Burnout" thread.

At #3 we had a reference to 'Gammons' courtesy of Tram. To quote:

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No worse than outraged Gammons and the entitled "paid in all my life" old flag wavers.
This term is widely considered racist, sexist and ageist yet there was no censure whatsoever; presumably because 'Gammons' also tend to support Brexit which is a dirty word around here.

However, at the end of the thread (#91) we are told that the thread has been locked owing to 'personal comments'. This was immediately followed by a post from Ian making it clear that he dislikes the term 'Snowflake'. To quote:

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Plenty of us have children who would be very unhappy at being classified as 'snowflakes'. I, personally, find the term disrespectful at the very least as it is a generalised term that makes no distinctions.
I also have children (aged 20 and 25). They are not 'snowflakes' by an interpretation of the word, but they despair about those who are and who increasingly prevent them from enjoying a normal healthy life owing to the adjustments needed to placate them.

But surely, the fact that Ian himself says the word 'snowflakes' "is a generalised term that makes no distinctions" makes it less offensive than terms which are clearly racist, sexist and ageist and aimed at those with certain voting habits?
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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

I dislike responding publicly to such outbursts as the last but one, but i feel that I have to provide some facts

The moderators are 3/4 volunteers i.e. 3 of the 4 of us are such and we do so out of the want to see this forum successful and a happy and safe place to visit

It was me who closed the thread on snowflakes and it was purely because of the pointed comments directed specifically at other members which were aggressive in nature and out of line with the stated rule for this forum "Just keep it clean and polite!".

I can also tell you that during the "interesting" times (my quotes) that we had multiple postings referred to moderators each day by people on both sides of the arguments requesting that others were censured which was hardly ever done and never without discussion. It was both exhausting trying to keep up and stressful reading the comments that some members were making about others when they PM'd or reported posts. All the moderators have tried to be scrupulously fair in determining when to close something and it sometimes takes a lot of discussion before such is done, and that asking someone to leave is only after an awful lot of effort to bring things to a happier resolution.

In terms of that specific thread, I had not seen the term "gammon's", neither did I understand it as I had never come across it used in that way, neither had I considered Ian's point about the term snowflakes which I now consider valid.

Yes a number of us have contributed to the continuance of this forum, but I do not think that gives any of us carte blanche to be driving other people away from the forum as had definitely happened given some of the private messages sent to the moderators as people leave (none since the calm down some time ago). We want to attract a wide audience of people interested in photography and have them stay and support this forum.

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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

Gosh, I never thought that there's been a lot of griping and 'tale telling' PM's to moderators going on behind the scenes!

I've been outspoken and invited brickbats in the past, but it's never occurred to me to complain about it. When I can't stand the heat, I'll get out of the kitchen!

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I dislike responding publicly to such outbursts as the last but one, but i feel that I have to provide some facts

The moderators are 3/4 volunteers i.e. 3 of the 4 of us are such and we do so out of the want to see this forum successful and a happy and safe place to visit

It was me who closed the thread on snowflakes and it was purely because of the pointed comments directed specifically at other members which were aggressive in nature and out of line with the stated rule for this forum "Just keep it clean and polite!".

I can also tell you that during the "interesting" times (my quotes) that we had multiple postings referred to moderators each day by people on both sides of the arguments requesting that others were censured which was hardly ever done and never without discussion. It was both exhausting trying to keep up and stressful reading the comments that some members were making about others when they PM'd or reported posts. All the moderators have tried to be scrupulously fair in determining when to close something and it sometimes takes a lot of discussion before such is done, and that asking someone to leave is only after an awful lot of effort to bring things to a happier resolution.

In terms of that specific thread, I had not seen the term "gammon's", neither did I understand it as I had never come across it used in that way, neither had I considered Ian's point about the term snowflakes which I now consider valid.

Yes a number of us have contributed to the continuance of this forum, but I do not think that gives any of us carte blanche to be driving other people away from the forum as had definitely happened given some of the private messages sent to the moderators as people leave (none since the calm down some time ago). We want to attract a wide audience of people interested in photography and have them stay and support this forum.

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Andy - I'm sure that you and the other mods do the best job you can and I for one have no issue with your interventions. Thanks for you ongoing commitment to the forum.

At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, I really think that a policy of no politics would make life a lot easier for us all. Maybe some will think that makes things a bit anodyne, but I'd rather we coalesce on what brings us to this forum (photography) than find division in the wider political scene. I'm not averse to robust debate, but I think if robust debate is what people want then it's best done elsewhere.
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I feel obliged to state I fully support every word of Nigel's latest post and opinions. He always makes a perfectly reasoned, polite argument or explanation of any topic raised on here, in a well thought out, considerate, coherent manner and without bias. I only wish I had his expertise and skills but sadly I'm more aligned to the "Call A Spade A Shovel" brigade. Hence, my time on here as a member is no doubt limited.

Shenstone's post in response is quite an eye opener for me. I've always noticed only certain members ever get involved or make comments in the Lounge especially when there is a cut and thrust debate taking place. In my post yesterday I suggested the recent censorship could be the result of complaints from members and it now seems I was correct in that assumption. What has amazed me is the level of the complaints made in PM's and behind other members backs indicated by Shenstone in his post.

Nobody is forced to read any comments or posts made in the Lounge or anywhere else for that matter within this forum. It seems however that members can't resist reading and then having done so, feel a moral obligation to complain in private to Admin. I wont put my membership at risk at this point by stating my opinion about said members.

Given the recent censorship, Shentone's revealing post, and the constant cries that this is a photo forum, IMHO the best way forward now is to close the Lounge and remove it from the forum. I also suggest that Admin need to be more observant when logging on and nip any developing problems in the bud before they mutate into something worse. By this I don't mean closing threads but censuring the individuals concerned in what ever manner deemed appropriate. It seems very unfair to censure all involved within any debate photographic or otherwise, by closure, rather than the persons actually committing the offence. Kind of reminds me of my school days when the whole class was placed on detention because Little Johnny thwacked the teacher with an elastic band.

By closing the Lounge, the forum would then be restricted to posts of a photographic nature only. This will solve the current problem and no doubt make many members, including those who feel obliged to complain in private and or place "likes" on every cry about this being a photo forum, very happy people indeed. Sparks will still no doubt erupt occasionally, as they did in the For Sale section but hopefully not to the same extent.

This is only my honest opinion with no critisism of Admin intended as that would definitely not be tolerated. Admin, feel free to remove this post if it's felt my comments are inappropriate.


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Re: Forum Sill Plagued With Gateway Problems

According to the hosting technicians, the server was using much more memory than it needed and was occasionally running out. This is not unusual and so there are measures to deal with such situations and these have now been enabled.

I hope there will be some improvement in reliability as a result.

If you notice the same problems happening again, please (once the problem has gone) let me know via PM so I can build a picture of what is happenning so I can relay it back to the techs.

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According to the hosting technicians, the server was using much more memory than it needed and was occasionally running out. This is not unusual and so there are measures to deal with such situations and these have now been enabled.

I hope there will be some improvement in reliability as a result.

If you notice the same problems happening again, please (once the problem has gone) let me know via PM so I can build a picture of what is happenning so I can relay it back to the techs.

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