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Graphics card problem

Hi all - non photo problem to solve;

My daughter's PC has an elderly ATI Radeon 9700 All in Wonder graphics card and it never works properly from 'cold' - I suspect that the cooling fan is worn out and doesn't spin fast enough to cool the GPU at first. So when you switch it on the card crashes, forcing a restart, by which time the fan sorts itself out and everything is fine once more.

Does anyone have any suggestion for fixing this problem? I've scouted around for a replacement fan but it doesn't look like a standard type.

If all fails, does anyone have a card of similar spec. (AGP fit) they have lying around unwanted anymore? No need for the 'TV' aspects of the card.

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Re: Graphics card problem

I have an ATI RAGE 128 Ultra here. I am fairly sure its AGP, its certainly not PCI. I'm no graphics card expert and its probably a complete dog compared to the model you mention.. but you can have it if you want :-)

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I have an ATI RAGE 128 Ultra here. I am fairly sure its AGP, its certainly not PCI. I'm no graphics card expert and its probably a complete dog compared to the model you mention.. but you can have it if you want :-)

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Thanks Pete - that's a few years older than the 9700 and I have a similar one in my box of spares

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Re: Graphics card problem

Just had a look on Ebay, and you can depending on how much you want to spend. Buy up to date graphics cards with AGP interfaces... Just athought ?

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Re: Graphics card problem

you can get aftermarket graphics coolers. I have fitted several of these to my own over the years. However they are not much cheaper than getting an old secondhand, or even new, graphics card.

Have a look at

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/229092

It should support the 9700. You will need some thermal compound and some cleaning materials, kitchen roll and pure alcohol tio clean up the card before adding the replacement fan.

I have some small stick on heatsinks for graphics cards here if you need some to go with the fan.
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Re: Graphics card problem

Thanks everyone - I do have some thermal paste, so I may have a look at this, although from memory I could the fan off but not the heat sink...

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Re: Graphics card problem

Hi everyone, I thought I would update you on the ATI Radeon 9700 card I've been having problems with. Unfortunately, despite a heat sink and fan transplant, the card is exhibiting the same problem; when it's cold, the card crashes at the point the Windows driver starts up during the PC start up process. I have since installed a less powerful ATI Radeon 9600 card and this seems more reliable, but not 100% so. I'm beginning to wonder if the problem is actually motherboard-related rather than the VGA card itself?

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Re: Graphics card problem

Power supply problems, after cooling isses, are normally the big problem.

If you have a spare PSU, you could try swapping it out. Just make sure that it has enough power.
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Power supply problems, after cooling isses, are normally the big problem.

If you have a spare PSU, you could try swapping it out. Just make sure that it has enough power.
Thanks John. The PSU installed is a high-spec one (500W plus) and the CPU is not especially hungry (Athlon 64 X2 3800+). Also, the PSU (not CPU as originally typed!) was recently swapped out with a different one and I didn't notice any difference. So I'm still scratching my head!

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Re: Graphics card problem

Strictly for PC boffins who might be intrested!

The saga continues.

Probably due to endless boot-up failures and restarts the drive eventually got corrupted so I reformatted and reinstalled everything from scratch (Windows XP, Asus A8V Deluxe mobo, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ CPU @2GHz, ATI Radeon 9700 Pro All in Wonder AGP graphics card, 4x 0.5GB DRAMs, 250GB Western Digital Sata II hard drive.

Everything fine until the ATI graphics driver was installed. On restarts after software or driver installs after that point I would occasionally get a hang after the Windows splash screen. I don't know if it's relevant, but usually by restarting in safe mode and then restarting back in to full-on mode, things would get back to normal. But turn off for a few minutes and it would then hang after the splash screen.

I have tried a 600W OCZ PSU in place of the original 500W Hiper PSU and no difference was noticed, so I don't think it's the PSU. So the finger points to the graphics card or the mobo. In desperation, I may try installing a much older ATI Radeon Rage 128 card that I have in my box of bits.

If anyone has any suggestions...

Ian

PS I even migrated the HD from the Promise on-board SATA/Raid controller to the alternative VIA SATA/Raid controller. Not sure if it's made any difference and the VIA controller needs the drive to be jumpered for Sata I mode, so it's slower.
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Re: Graphics card problem

It's probably of no help whatsoever, but in the past I've had issues of ATI graphics cards on Asus mainboards giving lockups or screen freezes. Only "solved" by changing graphic card makes to ones which don't include ATI chips. But I could never find anything which definitely pointed the finger at ATI.
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It's probably of no help whatsoever, but in the past I've had issues of ATI graphics cards on Asus mainboards giving lockups or screen freezes. Only "solved" by changing graphic card makes to ones which don't include ATI chips. But I could never find anything which definitely pointed the finger at ATI.
It's only at boot up that I have problems, and then mainly only after the PC has been switched off for a while. 90% of the time a re-boot is successful and once booted the PC is fine all day.

I'm running an Asus M2NSLi motherboard here at the office with a PCIe ATI graphics card - no problem at all.

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Sounds more motherboardy to me - I used to struggle with my old Asus motherboard with similar symptoms, if it was cold it just would not play ball - would normally fire up but the graphics wouldn't, resulting in a No signal display on the monitor. Usually if you restarted it it would be fine, sometimes it would just hang after the BIOS test right at statup. If you witched the power off at the mains you could guarantee there would be problems when you next tried to use it too.

Gave up with it in the end and sold it on ebay.

Should point out that that had integrated graphics - pretty sure it wasn't an ATi chipset though.
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Re: Graphics card problem

Hi, nobody has mentioned drivers yet, try the latest ones from the manufacturers website, also try lens cleaner on the card contacts and make sure its pushed home fully,
I had similar problems with an N Vidia card and this solved it,
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try here

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